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reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 01:04 PM by asala
reply to post by tsloan



Take it to u2u with me please not on the thread,

Thanks Asala,


Back to the topic at hand,


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 01:20 PM by opal13
I noticed there was another small one in Missouriand one in Summerville, SC.
earthquake.usgs.gov...

I can't remember seeing one down there, so if anyone can find that, please post it. Also Marysville, TN again yesterday, although I didn't feel it, I'm not too far from there. Looks like that area is waking up just a bit, a little bit. I'm still wondering about the SC one though

earthquake.usgs.gov...


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 03:37 PM by fleabit
reply to post by Spooky Fox Mulder



Since when does a 4.7 become a huge earthquake? Why do you post it in caps like it's a disasterous event? Why do you say in your other thread that it could be a precursor to something much worse? Hmm.. could it be more of the same doom and gloom fearmongering? Yes, yes I think it is.

Like I said.. earthquakes happen every day. Often in places they don't often occur. The world is a big place.

The fact of the matter is that the webbot was wrong. And I don't believe for a moment that a human "pooling" of conciousness would still be able to predict things like earthquakes. I can't predict them. If I got together with say, 100 people in my neighborhood, and we all guessed together, we'd be wrong. It's no different if 1 million people guess, it's still just a guess.

Webbot cannot predict earthquakes, clearly.


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 04:13 PM by questioningall
reply to post by fleabit



Sorry, but you are wrong about webbot not predicting quakes, they have done it quite correctly in the past. The one thing they have been wrong about with previous quakes though - is the timing. They have said different quakes would happen, but they would be off a few days.

I am glad it did not happen in the days forecasted and I am hopeful it still will not happen.

But this thread anyway - is still about the "odd animal behavior" that has been happening around the middle parts of the states.

Which is still going on...unless people from the area say it has returned to normal. So we still don't know why.


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 08:12 PM by questioningall
reply to post by Trayen11



Yes, the EQ thread about "odd animal" behavior. It is more about the "odd" animal behaviors going on and questioning it being related to an EQ. So I knew what thread I was on, and wrote correctly.


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 08:54 PM by chickenshoes
Originally posted by chickenshoes
reply to
post by Red Cloak



At the risk of looking silly:

How was that sarcasm? Apparently, either I'm sarcasm detecting impaired, or you need to improve your way of communicating.


I'm not trying to be rude, I truly don't understand, and if you could explain this, I'd really appreciate it



Ok, since you seem to be ignoring me Red Cloak, I'll ask you again. How was your post about Jim Berkland's supposed prediction sarcasm?

Here is a definition of sarcasm from Merriam-Webster dictionary online:


sarcasm
One entry found.


Main Entry:
sar·casm Listen to the pronunciation of sarcasm
Pronunciation:
\ˈsär-ˌka-zəm\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French or Late Latin; French sarcasme, from Late Latin sarcasmos, from Greek sarkasmos, from sarkazein to tear flesh, bite the lips in rage, sneer, from sark-, sarx flesh; probably akin to Avestan thwarəs- to cut
Date:
1550

1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain2 a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual b: the use or language of sarcasm
synonyms see wit


I'll be looking for your reply.

Thanks,
CS


reply posted on 16-12-2008 @ 09:13 PM by AceWombat04
The OP has already stated that they distinguish between knowledge and belief, and that should no quake occur, they will admit that their theory/prediction/interpretation/belief was incorrect.

Citing factual fallacy is one thing, as is genuinely trying to enlighten or educate someone in a respectful and cooperative fashion, out of the desire to help that person. Crossing the line from that to telling someone to denounce a personal belief or conviction (especially when that individual distinguishes between that belief and knowledge; i.e. they acknowledge that their belief could easily be wrong) is something all together different, in my opinion, and serves neither the goal of enlightenment nor the motive of helping that person. All it does it provide an ego boost.

People have the right to believe what they wish, and to do so without condemnation, when they acknowledge the difference between belief and empirical fact, and accept that their belief might be wrong. The OP has done this repeatedly. Once someone does that – and the OP has – then any further attempt to attack their belief has only one possible motive and goal: to convince them that they are wrong.

Beliefs stated as facts can be condemned as being factually wrong; personal beliefs are just that – personal – and should be respected and tolerated regardless of factual fallacy because they are not cited as facts but as personal beliefs and/or theories, in my view. The OP has not cited their beliefs as empirical facts, but rather as what they are; beliefs and/or suspicions. Thus debating them further is akin to debating someone’s religious or philosophical beliefs.

The web bot having predicted quakes successfully on the other hand is debatable, because it cannot be proved unequivocally that it predicted anything, since the possibility of pure coincidence has not been ruled out. When the OP states that the web bot did definitely predict quakes in the past, I would suggest that it instead be framed purely as an opinion or a belief, as this latest prediction/interpretation was.

I’m saying all of this as an open minded skeptic, mind you. It is possible that web bot has predicted quakes successfully in the past. It’s just also possible that its seeming predictions were coincidences.

That’s all beside the point I’m trying to make, however, which is that little is served – in my opinion – by trying to persuade someone that what they have demonstrated is merely a personal belief – not a factual claim – is wrong.


reply posted on 17-12-2008 @ 12:51 PM by Rintendo
reply to post by questioningall



You know when you first posted this web bot stuff I did get frightened. I read up on the predictions, I read interviews regarding the programming, etc, and I think the frame of mind I was in sort of overrode my natural need to question and be skeptical.

Several institutes predicted the current economic collapse years prior. Fall is the time when such things happen because it is considered a time of Budget End Closeout and Fiscal Year Startup where people have to lay their cards out and really assess.

Earthquakes and natural disasters do happen and there are predictions with a large periodicity, granted, for most major natural disasters.

The solution lies in all cases with people. People choose where they live and either accept what comes with it, or not. People choose where they put their money, who they put their faith in, etc.

I think everyone should be prepared for the worst, so in that regard I think you did a good job. However, the thread titles could have been worded a bit differently.

Intention is everything in my book and I believe you intended to do good, so...keep trying to do so. Just rework the titles of the threads.

Take care.
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