Well, How do I start?

First I hope everyone who is reading this, has gone or will go through the *Alert System* Odd Animal Behavior" thread.

The way I feel right now is something like this:

I am willing to be a "fool" I am willing to put myself out there for ridicule! I am sure many will do just that - right away.

But as I see it - I would rather be a "fool" and put myself out there .........than to be a "fool" who sat back and did not say anything and let lives possibly be lost - due to being afraid of what others might think, and or I can be completely wrong about all of it.

So in saying that:

Yes, I started the 10 day thread (webbot predictions of EQs), then I began the * Alert System* thread for people to submit postings of odd behavior they were observing (if any) of animals, water and sky.

When I began the 10 day thread - people posted - without my asking - some odd behavior of animals in their area. (I know I wrote this already on the *Alert* thread), but I feel the need to explain where I have come from and how I got to the point of writing the thread I am doing now.

Ok, people wrote about strange animal behavior - so I began researching it, and found yes, animals have been used as warning systems in other countries for pending EQs (earthquakes).

So after researching it - I wanted to do a thread and see - if by chance some odd animal, water, sky behavior is happening right now - Anywhere in the world. I did not ask for people in "just" the New Madrid area to post things - I asked all who wanted to join in and were seeing odd things from animals etc to post.

Well, it seems that somehow - the New Madrid area - became the focus - ONLY because that is where hundreds have posted that they were seeing very odd behavior from animals and also wild animals are no longer in their immediate area - when they should be. Then there are threads from people in Utah and farther out from the New Madrid that are having an abundance of animals and animals back there - when they should not be there at this time. Besides the multitudes and multitudes of animals acting confused, even as they looked to be leaving the area around New Madrid (btw: that goes out for a few hundred miles from the fault, itself).

Other members became involved and participated in helping the thread, and Nydsdan - did an amazing job of putting together some maps. I will be including them in this thread.

You can call this thread a compilations of how I view the results - I will be giving you some of the posts compiled together, so you then will see, how I have come to what limited knowledge and understanding of what is happening. Let me say: I am NOT a scientist, nor am I an expert in any of these fields, I have been doing nothing but researching them for days now.

I have tried to get experts involved, but did not have any luck. Though I will say, I continue to email the person in the National Geographic article - because - guess what? I have a bad habit of "Not Giving Up". He did ask for updates in an email back to me, and I have always been in the back of my mind - hoping he comes into ATS at times and reads the posts, as I had sent him the link to it, in the very beginning.

Hope you aren't too bored yet, because I am just getting started with this thread.

I want to provide you all that I am seeing and some very important post with that. I want to say too, there are people who did not post on the thread *Alert* but u2u'd me instead. They did not want to give out their information (location etc), and I appreciate them trusting me with that info, to help with this "project/experiment". So you will find one or two pieces of information that is not in the thread – but I do not give any personal info with it either.

Now I told you that, to get across - for those of you - who think people are making things up - just to post something. Everyone who posted – I believe did it - due to their own concern about animals in their areas. They were concerned - "before" I started the *Alert* thread.

Am I pushing the above - too far? I am trying to get the point across - I would like you to understand "these things are real" they ARE happening! People didn't post these things for the "fun of it" and I believe something is wrong or about to happen in that area.

I am not trying to be an alarmist or anything - again I am willing to put myself out there - for absolute ridicule - because I am the FIRST ONE to hope I am wrong and all of this is nothing at all.

What my ultimate goal in doing this thread right now, is this….to get the people of the ATS community involved and into action, after reading this whole thread.

Here are some of the posts, I will be using key sentences from them: There are more with some very odd behavior - I would like to have included below - but due to the posters not specifying where they were located - I did not include them - even though some were of great interest.

My first set will be the New Madrid area, the second set will be the Pacific Northwest area – believe it or not – the thread only got a hand full of people out of California – saying something strange is happening with animals. All I can say, is the animals must be used to the whole EQ vibrations or something there.

One other thing – there were multitudes of pet dogs and cats stories – of them acting crazy, howling, barking, going crazy – I only included one or two of those, you can read all the others on the *Alert* thread.

Now for some of the posts:



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NEW MADRID AREA:

Memphis Tn 12-04-08 beginning last Sunday 11-30-08, My 140 lb Rottweiler has been acting very strange. We always walk around a park near our home, and always has been nice for us both a 1 mile walk. Sunday he began looking up.. then back towards home, and resisting more and more as we walked. Looking up like talking to someone up there, and then back towards home. then resisting going any futher. He kept looking back, and then looking straight up over and over. Sitting down so I couldnt make him go any further. then I said "Lets go home" at which he really began to pull on the leash looking up and back toward home. Got home and he ran to find the wife, then all through the house, finally calming down, but still looking from time to time up. We tried to walk Mon, Tue,Wed and Thurs, same actions each day. He has always been a great Walking Buddy for 3 years, and all this activity by him is totally foreign. Cant find any Medical prob, so What does he know that I dont..

Today I was hiking a very rough creek bed 20 miles Southeast of me, it had solid rock creek beds with large pools of water in huge formations of all types,,,, even one as big and deep as a Jacuzzi.... anyway... there would be solid smooth limestone bluffs with circular jagged formations in them, in a few of them there was water oozing out of them. There were no springs above these rocks, just smooth limestone bluffs about 20 - 40 feet high above this with no evidence of water dripping off them other than rainfall. Also this tract is known for abundant wildlife and we did not even see a squirrel and not the normal amount of deer tracks. Arkansas – close to Missouri border

I live in northern Kentucky, and prior to reading this thread, my husband and I were just talking about not seeing the birds come to our feeder recently.

I live in Northeastern Arkansas and I have noticed that I have no rabbits in my yard. This started about 2 days before Thanksgiving. I was talking to my brother, and he said he hasn't seen any signs of squirrels feeding on the pecan trees in our orchard, on the wild trees nearby. He hasn't seen any squirrels either

the bird feeder not being touched. I live in Western Ky and my family saw a huge never ending swarm of buzzards and black birds leaving


my cats, they are CRAZY! They act like they are starving, they are fat and have always been well cared for. They run in a pack ahead of me to the kitchen and jump up on their food area, they jump into the trashcan where we keep the pet food to eat out of the bag, but if I take the bag and place it on the feeding shelf, they wont eat it there and run and jump in the trashcan when I open it to feed the dogs...
My dogs wont eat out of their own bowls, they want ANYONES but their own.
The chickens are attacking when we step into the coop, they have always been like pets, so yes Id say my pets are acting strange.
And the coyotes are howling alot, I almost cried when I heard them the other night, they seem so intense about something...

Wildlife should be abundant… deer, bear, squirrels, turkey etc.. population around 75 in that 4 miles squared. As a matter of fact I was going to take camera, took gun to protect me from bears which should have been around,,, not one… did find one pine tree sapling snapped in the last couple of days. We had been the only people on this tract in over a month. Deer and bear tracks were a week or so old…. That is UNUSUAL.
On my small farm, there are coons here year round, even in deep snow when it happens,,, I have not seen a coon, possum or any small varmints in a couple of weeks.
3 weeks ago I seen the most black birds ever and were going east, southeast. For 2 days geese were flying back and forth, north to south - Arkansas


my friend who is an avid hunter took 3 days off of work this week to do his annual deer hunting expedition.
he said he didnt see one deer. i made fun of him but he said they are hiding - Arkansas

I live approx. 90 east of St. Louis in Illinois. Strange things I have noticed in the last week and a half, there is usually alot of birds in our backyard they have gone MIA the last 3 days also there are 6 to 7 rabbits that hang out every evening they too have been absent. Our 5 year old cat has been hunkered down in the bathroom for the past 3 days, now mind you she has free reign of the house and she never goes in the bathroom the last time she was in there was April 18 when the 5.2 hit. The other thing my husband and I noticed is before the April quake the water in our toilet seemed to bubble. it made this same noise about a week ago.


Today as we were driving up a small road in one of the villages there were three vultures on the ground very near the road. It would have been easy for a motorist to run over them. They seemed to be confused Then way out in the countryside in the middle of nowhere an enormous flock of pigeons flying very elaborate patterns in the sky. I have never seen pigeons in the countryside like this – woodlands of Texas area

I too am near the Woodlands area of Texas. I have been noticing odd things myself including vultures. The other day we were driving by a field and we saw a pair of big black birds. At first I didn't know what they were, then when we got close I realized they were vultures. They were not feeding at all, just standing there looking lost. In all the years I have been in Texas I have never seen anything like that. It was just plain weird. Then at the ranch where my daughter rides horses, two "Wild Turkeys" wandered up to the ranch and have stayed there. They are very clingy and want to be around humans constantly. I couldn't believe it. These are wild animals, not tame. I am still scratching my head on that one.
And you are not the only one seeing weird cloud formations. We are seeing it too.


So far, my cat, who has always been at least sane- has come unglued the past month or so. Charges up and down the hall, gets this crazy look on his face, and has done something I haven't had him do ever- when I got to bed, he climbs up to my chest, and lays there until he thinks I am ready to sleep. He's NEVER done this before. I swear he's acting like he's protecting me.- N.C.

the birds flew BACK here this year already.- BC

the birds that usually fly SOUTH for the winter, seemed to come back a few weeks ago. – Canada

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In Maryland, we have Geese like crazy that are normally gone this time of year! we actually have more right now that we did in the summer!!!!


strange to hear everyone saying the animals and birds are non existent. They must have come up north to Pa because my wife and i were wondering if the birds are having a big party here. We even saw a Black squirrel here which is big because we look forward to our squirrels and can tell who's who. We have 6 regulars but today we got chipmunks, rabbits, a black squirrel, and birds out the wazoo! I live in the suburbs out side philly and besides birds and squirrels the rest of them are rare to see.


MARKLE Indiana — Five deer that wandered onto a highway overpass jumped to their deaths onto Interstate 69, one of them crashing through a tractor-trailer’s windshield, police said.
After the animals’ fatal plunge, their mangled carcasses littered the expressway “It’s the weirdest run I’ve ever had in 28 years The 20- to 30-foot fall killed all five deer.

We live in Idaho and the rooster has been crowing almost non-stop for two days. I am sure the neighbors will be complaining soon. The hens are acting like they are starving and refuse to lay. The ducks have been talking up a storm and are picking on each other. The goats won't shut up and they have been in the field and they just stare at the house and cry.

southeast corner of Michigan near Lake Erie.
The other day when I was out side finishing off the 'leaves' for the year, I noticed several small flocks of swans flying basically in circles over the area for several hours.
This year's Canada Goose migration was odd as well. It started very early.

Before Thanksgiving we have seen real strange wild animals behavior. My inside dogs don't move much
My birdfeeder is still full should have been empty by now. My cardinals are gone, found one dead on my deck it We had at least two pair maybe three of cardinals and haven't seen a one for over a month. One pare of blue jays, not seen. One day it was a deer the size of a small horse, another day it was a racoon, another day it was a coyote and on another day a bear cub. Confused is the right word. We dont go out everyday or at the same time everyday. These animals were all out in the middle of the day. The animals were confussed that is the right word now that I think about it. – N.C

I live in central Kentucky. I found a dead coyote in my backyard on Sunday. As far as I could tell, he had not been shot or hit by a car. I could see no injuries on him whatsoever. He appeared to be very healthy (thick fur, not skinny at all) before he died. I still don't know how he died. Maybe from exhaustion?

many Geese which usually fly south for the winter, and have been on the same track for many years kept flying back and forth for days. We lost track of which direction they finally went. – Missouri

Chicago checking in. I took a walk outside and there is not a bird or a squirrel to be seen. Not one. It's usually like Wild freaking Kingdom out there, and everytime I go out to smoke, there are a number of squirrels and birds, including my buddy, the Big Black Squirrel, who is especially fearless.


I live approximately 50 miles due north of Indianapolis, and for the last 7 years, I feed regularly 17 adult raccoons on average and during early summer I feed the babies. I have been heart broken for the past 3 weeks. I have not seen any raccoons, possums, rabbits. Not one. Their food bowls have remained untouched A friend of mine drives a truck daily to Georgetown, KY, and last week 2 days in a row, near Dry Ridge, KY, he had a redtail hawk hit his windshield so he was extremely upset. I too have increased cardinals, blue-jays, and a bird that never visited my feeders till now is, the eastern bluebird. My deer population has been nil. I have not seen them in their normal routes around my home or I have not seen their tracks. I thought I would add to this thread because we had an earthquake in April of this year with aftershocks, and I had noticed unusual animal behavior before this occurred and did not associate this with an earthquake, also around Indianapolis in April I believe, they had a small lake dry up if I'm not mistaken, maybe someone from Indianapolis can remember this and verify..

I live in central Tennessee, and there have been some odd things with the birds here.
Two mornings in a row and there were literally hundreds of birds in my front yard. It looked like a scene out of that movie the birds.
I also live in out in the country so I see alot of livestock which are also behaving in odd manners. They are being restless, seeming irritated, and they are just acting odd in general.
Being around them everyday its just easy for me to tell, and hard to describe

I'm in the western tip of NC and remarked just yesterday on the large number of birds that are hangng out in the area. Even saw a flock of robins out in a snow-covered field yesterday evening. A bit odd for here at this time of the year.

I'm in Utah and I am also an insurance agent. I'm used to taking animal/vehicle accident claims, but yesterday a client called in and this weekend he hit a deer (antlers stuck in his bumper for a minute and everything) and the deer just got right back up and kept running.
On thanksgiving my husband and I were commenting about the large influx of birds in our area - we saw literally 1000s (there are usually some birds in the area but nowhere near these numbers).

Check in from Southeast, Tn here. 5 hours east of the new Madrid. The dogs in my neighborhood have been barking incessantly for the last month, all day and all night. I hardly ever see any birds in the sky, let alone chirping.

My sister who lives in Keota Ok. right by the border of Arkansas, saw this morning a whole bunch of groups/flocks of birds. She said it was like 5 differant bunches or flocks of black birds outside of Pocola, Ok that is right by the border of Arkansas. Enough birds to fill a few fields. My sisters husband said that they would be flying south/southwest

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Everyone knows that bats can navigate almost flawlessly, right? Right. Yesterday, we had a car come into our shop with a bat in the front grille.
"so what" you say, "people hit birds all the time." True, but not bats. Thats the first bat/car impact I've seen in the 10 years I've been with VWI have also noticed very strange behavior in my dog for about a week now. Almost as if he is looking for some place to hide. He'll run around to several different areas of the house with his tail tucked under. - Missouri

Well I have two odd things to add. I live near Memphis, TN and the MS River. This morning my husband calls from the car to tell me to look outside at the clouds. They all appeared to look alike. They all looked similiar to a Nike swoosh and they overlapped and covered the sky.
The other issue which was more disturbing was a goose tried to land on the expressway today. I was on the interstate and saw this large goose by itself coming closer toward the road. I watched and assumed it was going to swoop back up but it did not! It was extremely close to shaving its own head off across my windshield. I felt really sorry for it. It barely made it to the side of the interstate and was obviously sick and disoriented. It was odd though.

I called up a local well drilling company today, the one that is nearest by and services most of the wells in this area of Arkansas. I asked about the stories about wells drying up all over. I was told, "my father has been doing this for 45 years and he's never seen anything like it before. Water levels are dropping 300 feet in some areas, we don't have any idea what is happening.' Arkansas


Spoke to a very experienced deer hunter today that spent 8 days of sitting in a tree stand and did not even see one deer (last week). This is in a bluff region near the Mississippi river that is normally full of deer.
Eagles this year have been coming further from the river bluffs region (Mississippi area) into the larger cities around SE MN.

I just let my female beagle in from outside a few minutes ago. When she came in she was running around the house, from room to room, whining. I checked her over and nothing seems to be wrong with her. Also...a little bit later I seen a bright light flash in the sky, almost like lightning, but no bolt. Weird. I live in Southern Indiana.

We live in a rather upscale neighborhood and never see loose pets, until this week. I have seen 3 dogs loose with tags on. – Tennessee
(note from questioningall – there are large amounts of pets missing in both PNW and the New Madrid fault area) –

I live in North Carolina and last week there was a huge flock of Buzzards here too. There had to be at least a hundred. It's not uncommon to see them here, but I've never seen them in such quantity. It was nuts. It was like the sky was dark with them

In Orange County, CA. there were swarms of birds before dusk flying above the court house & city. The noise was so loud, it could be heard all the way inside the court house. Once outside, it was a crazy scene as one could barely talk to the person next to them.
Everyone on the streets was looking up at the massive swarm of birds.
Also they didn't sound normal, they all made a screeching sound that sounds like a rake on asphalt.


I live in St. Paul, Minnesota.
This is deer hunting season and I hear lots of stories ever year.
At my work I see lots of patients and the stories this year are " We didn't get a deer...we didn't even see any !"
I have heard this over and over again.
The area would be Northern Minnesota, Northern Wisconsin.
And also...where are all my winter birds???
(note from questioningall – this theme came over and over from many posters – about no deer in Minnesota)


Southeast Missouri not acting their usual deerish ways. For example, they are darting, confused, not bedding down, and almost seem to just of disappeared. What is even more bizzare is that the foxes in our area are running around like domesticated dogs. You might get lucky and see a fox once a year, but the last month, I see them everytime I road trip. Also, I personally have not seen this, but reports in my small town are that black panthers are actually out and getting closer to humans than they did in the past. I bet we have gone 10 years with no reports of panthers and from June on I know I personally have heard from 5 different people about a panther approaching them.
I spoke with several local hunters and they said this past rifle season was scarce Also, the lake is down, but my spring is up?


I live in northeastern Texas, near the borders of Arkansas and Louisiana Our backyard is verdurous and normally draws many birds and squirrels throughout the winter. This year, there seem to be very few birds in the area. This didn't cause much concern, but just this week it seems that the squirrels are moving away as well. Normally, I can walk out into the backyard at any point during the winter days and see numerous squirrels running among the bushes, tree limbs and retaining wall. I am now lucky to see two or three during the entirety of the day. Our squirrels are usually not tame in the slightest and keep their distance or scamper off whenever you approach. Just prior to their apparent emigration, I remember mentioning to neighbors that they were behaving strangely. They seemed to become much more confident and almost aggressive Lastly, we've noticed odd atmospheric phenomena lately. Yesterday morning, for a few minutes, the air seemed thick with red haze. I have never seen anything like it. It looked as though someone had dumped red dust into the air,
(note from questioningall – this was a much longer and very interesting post, but I shortened it tremendously, for this thread)

Here is my quake related observation to add.
Monday all day my senior dog was hiding and shaking under my desk like she does during storms. But there were no storms and no fireworks and not even any loud work crews in the area. It really worried me that she might have been having seizures, but she has not done it since.
I started reading this thread tonight and was clicking on links and saw that there was in fact a small earthquake in oklahoma city, about 100 miles from our home, on monday.

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i dont have much to contribute really just this below

Star and flag

best thread ive seen in a long time

this is your third thread on this prediction will you be willing to apologize to all the people that you lied to and scared after nothing happens?

Great job on consolidating all the information... you are taking the time to do this right... if this gives a few people the chance to prepare for an earthquake so much the better.

People who aren't used to thinking about earthquakes can do just a few things to prepare and it might help them out... secure tall, heavy furniture (bookcases) to the wall, don't sleep under shelves that can fall (or heavy pictures with glass), have shoes ready beside the bed if you need to walk through broken glass and rubble, have extra pet food put aside, first aid kit, bottled water, candles, matches, extra food... know how to turn your gas off after a quake. Keep you car tank filled with gas in case you need to drive out of the area. etc.... etc.

Originally posted by N. Tesla
this is your third thread on this prediction will you be willing to apologize to all the people that you lied to and scared after nothing happens?

Please tell me one lie I have said or written.. and actually this is not the 3rd thread on an EQ prediction.

My first thread WAS an EQ prediction thread - I agree with that

My second thread WAS for people to post what is going on in their area that MAY be related to EQ warnings which there is history of animal warnings before EQs.

Now this thread is a COMPILING of all the information from the 2nd thread.

So, I figured you would be one of the first to put me down for it.

BTW: You need to redo the comment you made on my profile page, about me lying - until you have some proof to everyone that I have ever lied. So please take the lying off - I am more than happy for you to tell me what you think of me and my threads on the comments page - but don't put falsehoods on MY page. Other wise
BRING IT ON!

Listen to u all over there, it is going to happen!
I know it for sure i did some post's and reply's here and there all over the net with some hidden messages.
But till now no one has seen this comming so sharp.
Wel done.

And remember stay safe u all. And more has to come next year !

Originally posted by questioningall

I am putting in nydsdan’s map – color coded to the various circles from extreme – no animals – to odd behavior animals, below it you will see the map – from an 1895 earthquake – that was not nearly as big as the 1811 earthquake – you tell me what you see looking at both of them together!

Fantastic piece of work there. This is some good Denying Ignorance. Feelings backed by some good circumstantial evidence.

First of all i mention the web bot because you did in the original post. i asked the same question in each of your threads. you replied here so did i.

Originally posted by questioningall


The webbot has had these predictions of earthquakes hitting for 1 1/2 years in their language.

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as for the animals i will say that this is absolute nonsense. yes animals have been known to predict thing but you can't use them as evidence. its like bringing a dog to trial with you hoping he will bark at the man who assaulted you. again i say this because i am stuck argueing with you in this thread i have no problem with you coming into ATS chat and we can discuss things there if you are afraid of how your Fellow ATSers will see you when you are wrong.

next the mountain picture. yes it is quite beautiful but it is a meteorological (weather) occurance and happens because the cold air is sinking as the hot air is rising and because it is happening on the side of the mountain the cold air gets a boost creating this kind of cloud. it is simply mother nature reminding us shes better then whatever photo shop has

like i said these people are not liars or fear mongers unlike you (also i have found that you enjoy to twist words and pull out irrelevant things. nice to know) i am simply saying that it is not reason of an earthquake.

you also have yet to answer me on 2 things

show me proof of the web bot being correct

and

will you apologize to all these people when nothing happens?

please dont run from an argument it makes you seem like a liar running from the truth.

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