Greek Riots getting worse!!!!!!!!!

It seems the police killed a 15 year old youth (probably rioting).

This caused an outrage and it seems the rioting and fire setting are expanding.

"The police officer who fired the fatal shot has been charged with "manslaughter with intent" and suspended from duty, police said, adding that a second police officer was arrested Saturday on criminal accessory charges."

Too little too late.
The killing of the boy will give an excuse for others to rape/rob/loote/set fires and distroy.

" The 16-year-old boy was shot as he tried to throw a fuel-filled bomb at the officers, police said."

If that is true, "IF" then the police were defending themselves.

That is attempted murder, but the stupid kid tried it on those with guns.

'DUMBARSE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


[edit on 12/7/2008 by mrmonsoon]

EWARDEN MESSAGE
U.S. Embassy Athens, Greece

December 7, 2008

The Embassy has instructed its employees to stay away from downtown Athens today Sunday December 7th due to large and violent demonstrations which started on Saturday night. More demonstrations are planned for today. We urge that Americans avoid not only downtown Athens today but any other areas in which demonstrations may be encountered.
For up-to-date information regarding Embassy or Consulate General closures, please visit [link to athens.usembassy.gov]

American citizens in Greece should also monitor the local news, and for the latest security information, Americans living and traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department’s Bureau of Consular Affairs Internet web site at [link to www.travel.state.gov,] where the current Worldwide Cautions, Travel Alerts, and Travel Warnings can be found.

Source

This is the official warning related to the rioting in Athens.



[edit on 12/7/2008 by mrmonsoon]

I personally dont think authority figures should be allowed with guns in the first place same with civilians but to shoot a 15 year old kid is just horrific even if he was throwing a petrol bomb if it was a 10 year old kid would they have still shot him

im not saying that their should be rioting but i can understand and empathise from their point of view things in this world are getting worse and worse everyday authority figures are getting worse and the people are starting to realize it

GO THE PEOPLE !!!

hmm why is it worse just because he is young? at the end of the day he was trying to throw some sort of petrol bomb at a police officer, what about if it was a gun pointed at the officers face? shud he have just tried pepper spray? ....didn't think so
shud the officer have just told him 'don't do thats it's naughty'? no i didn't think so, maybe a gun was excessive but maybe thats all he had to hand at the time, when seconds count as life or death.

What was the demonstration about? What was their cause? I mean you implied in your OP that the kid was probably rioting and got shot. What was the kid rioting about?

STM


[edit on 12/7/2008 by seentoomuch]

Originally posted by Faaipdeoiad
hmm why is it worse just because he is young? at the end of the day he was trying to throw some sort of petrol bomb at a police officer, what about if it was a gun pointed at the officers face? shud he have just tried pepper spray? ....didn't think so
shud the officer have just told him 'don't do thats it's naughty'? no i didn't think so, maybe a gun was excessive but maybe thats all he had to hand at the time, when seconds count as life or death.

So say the officer is swinging a club at the kids head and the kid has a gun. Whats your view on that?

Originally posted by Anti - Government
I personally dont think authority figures should be allowed with guns in the first place same with civilians

As long as the population are armed with firearms, police should definitely be armed. What could I say I want to live and police help insure that.

but to shoot a 15 year old kid is just horrific even if he was throwing a petrol bomb if it was a 10 year old kid would they have still shot him

Let me be the first to say YES. I would do what I could to get the kid to put the bomb down safely, but when it comes down to him or me, I choose me.

im not saying that their should be rioting but i can understand and empathise from their point of view things in this world are getting worse and worse everyday authority figures are getting worse and the people are starting to realize it

GO THE PEOPLE !!!

Hey I'm all for public protest, but rioting is not protest, it's destruction for destruction sake done buy people that just want to brake stuff.
And to protest against the police for doing there job is just plain stupid.

So say the officer is swinging a club at the kids head and the kid has a gun. Whats your view on that?


well he would have to get close to the kid first without being shot, probably not the smartest thing in the world to do now is it.....run at someone who's got a gun aimed at you

Originally posted by Faaipdeoiad

So say the officer is swinging a club at the kids head and the kid has a gun. Whats your view on that?


well he would have to get close to the kid first without being shot, probably not the smartest thing in the world to do now is it.....run at someone who's got a gun aimed at you

What if he had a knife and the cop was hitting him? He sees a swing coming that looks very bad. Should he knife him?

Originally posted by Mr Mxyztplk

im not saying that their should be rioting but i can understand and empathise from their point of view things in this world are getting worse and worse everyday authority figures are getting worse and the people are starting to realize it

GO THE PEOPLE !!!

Hey I'm all for public protest, but rioting is not protest, it's destruction for destruction sake done buy people that just want to brake stuff.
And to protest against the police for doing there job is just plain stupid.

Sometimes riots are needed. For example when the bolivan government and a corporation tried to privatize water. This is one of the poorest countries in south america. They were going thirsty and had to riot to take the water back.

Nothing would have changed if the tried to vote for a new government.

well well missinformation ruins reallity.

here are the facts from eyewitnesses:

there was a 2000 to 3000 people demonstartion last night .
mainly university students

the demonstration was peacefull

at the same time with the main demonstration there were some groups of anarchists in the surrounding areas and the general Athens city centre area.

these groups were on tolerable status at that point.

police car stops at point were a big number of special police forces are watching the big student demonstation.

two police officers step out of the police car

they leave the car there so as the nummerus special officers watch after the car.

they walk a couple of blocks away from the main demonstation (where nothing was happening-members of the public were also attending the demonstation and there was no problems with the special forces whatsoever)

a couple of blocks away the two officers see a group of 30-50 anarchists at a distance of about 30 meters ( roughly at the next crossroad- about a block away)

they engaged verbaly with the anarchists.

one of the police officers shouts his gun 2-3 times while pointing at a 15 year old who couldn t hurt the officer in any way.

police officers walk away as if nothing had happened while the fifteen year old dropped dead on the street with two shots - one in the heart and one in the chest

a big number of members of the public see this as all this is happening in a denselly poppulated area.

members of the public go down on demonstations agains this insanity.

anarchists spread the news between each other.

mayhem unfolds

minister responsible quits but the prime minister does not accept his request as he doesn t hold him responsible.

things become ugly after that.

more anarchists spread out in the streets and a lot of vandalism occurs since they see nothing except for deceipt in the government

note that many are jobless or at very low wages while taxes are booming and a 15 year old teenages is down dead. For what ? Engaging verbally with a police officer?

note2 most everyday people and families are dissapointed in the present government in every aspect like economy, economic scandals, healthcare, taxes, new taxes, education, safety, infrastructure etc.
since they have seen nothing good in this government - rather the opposite.

note3 these are not my personal views but it so happens that i socialise with a large number of people of most fields, economic and educational backgrounds, from mayors to lecturers to the builders and garbage collecting guys.

note4 it just so happened i was on the tv as things were happening and sow the vitnesses speaking of the truth before it was lined out by them with contrary interests.

SO WHATS YOUR OPPINION NOW?

do you want your 15 year old son to drop dead on a Saturday night for no reason?

Like stated before this reply, there were 2 different demonstrations going on at once, in close proximity to each other.

The real issue is, someone ran at armed police with a gas bomb (attempted murder) and was shot because of it.

This would be perfectly normal if I saw it on 6 PM news.

You’re running at cops trying to throw a gas bomb, come on now......................You’re going to be shot and or killed.

It is a shame, but he brought it all on himself.

Here is a BBC souce from today.

"Police said the first day of riots had left 24 police officers injured, one seriously, and 31 shops, nine banks and 25 cars damaged or burned."

"At least 34 people were injured as a result of the violence on Sunday, officials told the Reuters news agency. At least 10 demonstrators were detained."

"Earlier, a march by more than 1,000 people on two police stations in Thessaloniki descended into violence when protesters attacked police and shops with firebombs and rocks."BBC

It was bad and seems to be getting worse, not calming dow

Another sourceMSNBC

Another Source
CNN

Having seen what is going on in Greece right now..

Can you imagine what would happen in Greece, the homeland of Democracy, if cops would dare to use tasers and tase someone to death, without the cops being threatened by the victim, as it already happened so often in other countries like the US?

Can you imagine that??

I hope the riots in Greece will stand as an example for the citizens of some other nations out there!


Kay

Hi. I live in Greece. I do not speak greek. Im English and moved he a while back.

Yes Greek is the birth place of Democracy. But 'anarchy' is a Greek word, is the saying in my home.

As i said i am not Greek and when i say this i mean not harm of offence and if it does then i say sorry in advance.

What you have to realise about Greece is that its in a contiueus state of anarchy. If you live here then you will know what i am talking about. I dont mean people go around killing each other and that there are riots alll the time. Bascicaly the Greeks do what they want, when they want. The police rarley do anything. An example of the Greek police which my father told me when he got back from work is that the police are letting the rioters into the police staion to burn the desks and smash computers just so they can get new ones after this all ends. Anarchy.

Its a great place to live and i feel very safe and free. They could NEVER ban smoking over here for example. Once apon a time there was NO law about wareing a helmet whilst riding a motercycle. Then the government made one. So what do the Greeks do, they ware them on the arms and if they ever get stopped they say, 'but MR poiceman, i AM wareing mine.'

Hope that makes sence. The Greeks are loverly people and are brilient hosts.

reply to post by GEORGETHEGREEK


Yes GEORGETHEGREEK..

I believe, the reason why these riots escalated that much is that people here in Greece already were pissed and in a quite bad mood over their gov because of corruption, high taxes, inflation etc.
This incident realy mustnt have happened - what a moron that cop!

Peace and POWER TO THE PEOPLE,
Kay

Originally posted by mrmonsoon


This would be perfectly normal if I saw it on 6 PM news.

I am always saying when horrific events happen it is perfectly normal. Kids get tazed as their dad drowns and its normal. Skate boarding kids get beat up by the cops for calling the cop sir and its perfectly normal. I ask folks are they ok about these kinds of tragedies being the norm? SAtill shame that it is it has become the norm.

Its normal because of folks like yourself mrmonsoon.

There are quite a few thread about whats going on in greece already and you probably already knew about it but felt it necessary to post a new thread so you could condemn the dead.

Well mission accomplished.

Now please go join the army. Iraq needs you.

[edit on 8-12-2008 by titorite]

[edit on 8-12-2008 by titorite]

reply to post by stoo82


Haha, what you say is so true m8

Just like you, I live in Greece (grew up here) but no greek blood in my veins either.

Its a wonderful little country with lovely people, but you should know 1 thing:

Don't ever piss them off, or try to cut their freedom!

Btw, have you been aware about the 2007 ranking of the leading surveillance societies in the EU and the World? -> www.privacyinternational.org...[347]=x-347-559597
Check out that tiny green-colored country in the center of the map and what that color means compared to the others

Kay

[edit on 8-12-2008 by Kay_S]

Originally posted by Kay_S
reply to post by stoo82

 

Don't ever piss them off, or try to cut their freedom!

Ain't that the truth.
That would be like trying to stop us running red lights.
It just isn't going to happen.

reply to post by titorite


When I said perfectly normal, it was not condoning it.

I simply meant it would not surprise me; it would upset me, but not surprise me

It was a very clear and honest appraisal of the situation.

If the situation is as I stated it, my opinion stands.

"IF", you can prove my facts are wrong, I will, of course, be willing to reevaluate my position on the incident.