reply to post by justamomma
you LIE.
With that plank in your eye, you can't see anything.
First worry about that plank in your own eye.
That plank is a bundle of self perspective bias directives.
I have told you, you didn't read my words, you only projected meaning upon my words.
You don't want me to show you anything. This is a LIE. you just want to try to project upon me more of your misunderstandings so that you may
egotistically believe that you're rightous in your understandings.
It's a joke really. But the joke is on you, not me.
If you wanted to see clearly you could. You don't. You lie.
If you wish to try to see more clearly, then go back and try to understand my words in a positive natured way rather then projecting your negitive
"wrong" bias upon my words.
Christians need to face the facts!, page 5
reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 08:12 PM by justamomma
reply to post by joesomebody
Speaking of the book of Mormon, (I replied to yours since it was the last one speaking about it, although your view on it is the same as mine) I wonder why mormons refuse to take a look at the fact that their documents (the lost scroll of Abraham.. whatever it is you call it) was PROVEN to not be written by Abraham and in fact, had NOTHING to DO with Abraham... Joseph Smith knew VERY little about the ancient language of the Egyptians and completely misinterpreted it; whether intentionally or not, only G-d knows.
The scroll was found in the tomb of a Pharoah (I believe, if my memory serves correctly, in the Pharoah's hands) and it HAS BEEN given to more than several experts in the area, all of whom didn't know the others were translating it as well. All came up with the same conclusion. IT WAS part of the "book of the dead."
When the mormon church leaders were notified of this, they refused to comment or even acknowledge it. THAT is why I have spent SOOOOOO much time pouring over these things. I DO NOT want to be led astray, but can NOT deny there is something pulling me in a certain direction. It is just now, after years upon years of research, coming to light in the most clear manner which ancient text is the only one any intelligent human being can follow.
Just most ppl think this world and their life was all made to be about them and therefore, the truth is NOT what they are seeking.
Speaking of the book of Mormon, (I replied to yours since it was the last one speaking about it, although your view on it is the same as mine) I wonder why mormons refuse to take a look at the fact that their documents (the lost scroll of Abraham.. whatever it is you call it) was PROVEN to not be written by Abraham and in fact, had NOTHING to DO with Abraham... Joseph Smith knew VERY little about the ancient language of the Egyptians and completely misinterpreted it; whether intentionally or not, only G-d knows.
The scroll was found in the tomb of a Pharoah (I believe, if my memory serves correctly, in the Pharoah's hands) and it HAS BEEN given to more than several experts in the area, all of whom didn't know the others were translating it as well. All came up with the same conclusion. IT WAS part of the "book of the dead."
When the mormon church leaders were notified of this, they refused to comment or even acknowledge it. THAT is why I have spent SOOOOOO much time pouring over these things. I DO NOT want to be led astray, but can NOT deny there is something pulling me in a certain direction. It is just now, after years upon years of research, coming to light in the most clear manner which ancient text is the only one any intelligent human being can follow.
Just most ppl think this world and their life was all made to be about them and therefore, the truth is NOT what they are seeking.
reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 08:19 PM by justamomma
Originally posted by Incarnated
reply to post by justamomma
you LIE.
With that plank in your eye, you can't see anything.
First worry about that plank in your own eye.
That plank is a bundle of self perspective bias directives.
I have told you, you didn't read my words, you only projected meaning upon my words.
You don't want me to show you anything. This is a LIE. you just want to try to project upon me more of your misunderstandings so that you may egotistically believe that you're rightous in your understandings.
It's a joke really. But the joke is on you, not me.
If you wanted to see clearly you could. You don't. You lie.
If you wish to try to see more clearly, then go back and try to understand my words in a positive natured way rather then projecting your negitive "wrong" bias upon my words.
Well, according to the part of the Bible you DO accept, if you can see clearly, you should be able to help me pull out the mote in my eye.
Luke 6: 42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.
But instead of showing love and kindness, you say I am lying (though I actually use the scripture that your religion is supposed to be based on, yet you do not). You are dodging the question I asked.
Will you show me through scripture how the mote is in my eye, please? Show me where I am wrong rather than just telling me that I am.
reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 08:42 PM by Simplynoone
reply to post by LeoVirgo
I think you read what I wrote wrong Leo ...I never said she was not saved ..I actually said if she put her faith in Mary and or Pope ..and not Christ ...then I said I could see why she had DOUBTS ..the spirit may have been working on her about that in the end ......... .then I said ...if she was never born again (Which is the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit) then that may be why she may have followed that other path (MARY etc) ...and then I also said ..no one knows what happens at the end of peoples lives when they know they are about to pass ..they actually cry out and God in his mercy will come to you ....as their spirit is really crying out then ....and she may have been born again (If not at first then possible at the last end of her life maybe ..) ..
Being filled with the Holy Spirit is what CONVICTS your heart and purifies your soul ..and changes you ...completely (like a 180 degree) and the truth gets shown BIG TIME to you.Whether your interested or not lol....
When I first recieved the Holy Spirit everyday something changed in me ..and everyday something in the word was shown to me (while I read it ) I would get stuck even for days on a few verses and would have dreams of them being explained to me (even met two angels one night who sat on my bed and told me somethings about the OT that I had been reading ) ..I know that sounds nuts but it is true ...
Anyway and when pamplets came in the mail I was shown how scripture had been twisted to mean something opposite of what it really said ..
It was strange ...I even saw demons roaming about in church whispering in the peoples ears and going in and out the church windows ..(I was seeing the spiritual realm ) and it was scary ..especially seeing it happen in church .
I kept thinking I was nuts ...(was not smoking anything lol) ...then a few months later ..everyone in that small church starting fighting with eachother ,...having affairs with eachother etc etc and the whole church went down for good .........
There are so many things I could tell you ..but it would take a book ..
All I know is when I did go do something that was not something I was supposed to do ..(love money or whatever) I was shown PLAINLY that I wasnt supposed to be doing that ....and I was shown plainly things like lies of the bible being told ..and even sometimes lies the preacher had been doing behind peoples backs ..(I could actually read some of their minds sometimes ) and it would end up true ......(I can still do this sometimes) .
I knew who was or wasnt a born again ...(I can tell now ..they have a certain glow in their eyes and their presence ..and they have an inner light you cannot even turn away from looking at them ) ....
{PS >.I can tell born agains on ATS ..and I am pretty sure they can sense eachother too ...the spirit recognizes the spirit }
I did not know her ..so like I said ...I dont know either way ...
[edit on 8-12-2008 by Simplynoone]
I think you read what I wrote wrong Leo ...I never said she was not saved ..I actually said if she put her faith in Mary and or Pope ..and not Christ ...then I said I could see why she had DOUBTS ..the spirit may have been working on her about that in the end ......... .then I said ...if she was never born again (Which is the evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit) then that may be why she may have followed that other path (MARY etc) ...and then I also said ..no one knows what happens at the end of peoples lives when they know they are about to pass ..they actually cry out and God in his mercy will come to you ....as their spirit is really crying out then ....and she may have been born again (If not at first then possible at the last end of her life maybe ..) ..
Being filled with the Holy Spirit is what CONVICTS your heart and purifies your soul ..and changes you ...completely (like a 180 degree) and the truth gets shown BIG TIME to you.Whether your interested or not lol....
When I first recieved the Holy Spirit everyday something changed in me ..and everyday something in the word was shown to me (while I read it ) I would get stuck even for days on a few verses and would have dreams of them being explained to me (even met two angels one night who sat on my bed and told me somethings about the OT that I had been reading ) ..I know that sounds nuts but it is true ...
Anyway and when pamplets came in the mail I was shown how scripture had been twisted to mean something opposite of what it really said ..
It was strange ...I even saw demons roaming about in church whispering in the peoples ears and going in and out the church windows ..(I was seeing the spiritual realm ) and it was scary ..especially seeing it happen in church .
I kept thinking I was nuts ...(was not smoking anything lol) ...then a few months later ..everyone in that small church starting fighting with eachother ,...having affairs with eachother etc etc and the whole church went down for good .........
There are so many things I could tell you ..but it would take a book ..
All I know is when I did go do something that was not something I was supposed to do ..(love money or whatever) I was shown PLAINLY that I wasnt supposed to be doing that ....and I was shown plainly things like lies of the bible being told ..and even sometimes lies the preacher had been doing behind peoples backs ..(I could actually read some of their minds sometimes ) and it would end up true ......(I can still do this sometimes) .
I knew who was or wasnt a born again ...(I can tell now ..they have a certain glow in their eyes and their presence ..and they have an inner light you cannot even turn away from looking at them ) ....
{PS >.I can tell born agains on ATS ..and I am pretty sure they can sense eachother too ...the spirit recognizes the spirit }
I did not know her ..so like I said ...I dont know either way ...
[edit on 8-12-2008 by Simplynoone]
reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 08:51 PM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Simplynoone
I wasn't trying to say you were wrong Simplynoone, I was just adding thoughts to a topic you brought up. I dont sense you as someone who would make that judgment on your own....I apologize if I took your thoughts out of contexts to discuss an interesting subject such as Mother Teresa.
Peace,
LV
I wasn't trying to say you were wrong Simplynoone, I was just adding thoughts to a topic you brought up. I dont sense you as someone who would make that judgment on your own....I apologize if I took your thoughts out of contexts to discuss an interesting subject such as Mother Teresa.
Peace,
LV
reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 10:04 PM by dalan.
reply to post by justamomma
How wonderful you feel convicted, and you are actually goin to tell me that the people who have been manipulated by our world leaders are going to be punished for all eternity? Once again the God of the Christian Bible sounds less loving... and more European...
I mean seriously, they put chemicals in our vaccines, chemicals in our skies, chemicals in our foods. They create our TV shows, they indoctrinate our minds subliminally, they manufacture for us our wars, forge our Nations, they grab our economy by the b@lls and refuse to let go.
But after all of this, after people have been so mistreated by the banking cartels, and by the rich, powerful families you are actually going to sit here and proclaim that God is going to punish the manipulated?? Are you serious? And what is your beef with spiritualism? Do you have a problem with a person finding the light within themselves? Didn't Jesus TELL US to be lights in this world? Bleh, whatever, that is ridiculous, if God could actually punish the manipulated then he is no better than our World Elite.
[edit on 12/8/2008 by dalan.]
How wonderful you feel convicted, and you are actually goin to tell me that the people who have been manipulated by our world leaders are going to be punished for all eternity? Once again the God of the Christian Bible sounds less loving... and more European...
I mean seriously, they put chemicals in our vaccines, chemicals in our skies, chemicals in our foods. They create our TV shows, they indoctrinate our minds subliminally, they manufacture for us our wars, forge our Nations, they grab our economy by the b@lls and refuse to let go.
But after all of this, after people have been so mistreated by the banking cartels, and by the rich, powerful families you are actually going to sit here and proclaim that God is going to punish the manipulated?? Are you serious? And what is your beef with spiritualism? Do you have a problem with a person finding the light within themselves? Didn't Jesus TELL US to be lights in this world? Bleh, whatever, that is ridiculous, if God could actually punish the manipulated then he is no better than our World Elite.
[edit on 12/8/2008 by dalan.]
reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 10:10 PM by justamomma
reply to post by Simplynoone
I understand what you are saying, but let's not fool ourselves. We are special only in that fact that we are His creation given a choice. If we choose ego and what we think is right over Him and what He knows is right, it stands to reason that we lose what it is that makes us special. In other words, shun the Creator and you have shunned your purpose thereby making you no longer special.
It isn't about us, it IS about Him.
I understand what you are saying, but let's not fool ourselves. We are special only in that fact that we are His creation given a choice. If we choose ego and what we think is right over Him and what He knows is right, it stands to reason that we lose what it is that makes us special. In other words, shun the Creator and you have shunned your purpose thereby making you no longer special.
It isn't about us, it IS about Him.reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 10:17 PM by justamomma
Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by justamomma
How wonderful you feel convicted, and you are actually goin to tell me that the people who have been manipulated by our world leaders are going to be punished for all eternity?
No, *I* am not telling you that.
The fact is, I live under these leaders as well. I have allowed myself to be manipulated as well. It *IS* quite easy and there is only ONE ancient text that not only warns of this manipulation, but shows how it will be carried out. The part that proves it is from an actual Creator only can be seen once you have gotten to a place that you no longer care about the Truth for what it can do in your life or another man's life, but for what it is in itself. At that point, the proof comes. I can NOT make you see. Unlike most ppl who subscribe to the Bible, I do not expect that I can convince you. If you are not convinced, that is your problem, not mine.
[edit on 8-12-2008 by justamomma]
reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 10:27 PM by justamomma
Originally posted by dalan.
reply to post by justamomma
I mean seriously, they put chemicals in our vaccines, chemicals in our skies, chemicals in our foods. They create our TV shows, they indoctrinate our minds subliminally, they manufacture for us our wars, forge our Nations, they grab our economy by the b@lls and refuse to let go.
But after all of this, after people have been so mistreated by the banking cartels, and by the rich, powerful families you are actually going to sit here and proclaim that God is going to punish the manipulated?? Are you serious? And what is your beef with spiritualism? Do you have a problem with a person finding the light within themselves? Didn't Jesus TELL US to be lights in this world? Bleh, whatever, that is ridiculous, if God could actually punish the manipulated then he is no better than our World Elite.
[edit on 12/8/2008 by dalan.]
And all of this means what??? This is all about man and not at all about G-d.
Let's put aside the Bible's teaching for a second and my solidified faith in G-d to see that NONE of this has anything to do with Him. If you are manipulated, that is YOUR fault and yours alone. If you have believed these men over us, that just goes to show your retardness and lack of time pouring over the truth for its sake... not mine and certainly not your Creator's fault and so you have no excuse.
The funny thing, when I approached the Bible in a serious manner, I was approaching it in a non believing manner. What I found, when I set aside the blaming and biased interpretations was a clearly laid out plan of who these men are that are manipulating the world, how they would do it, and how to escape that manipulation. Clear as day... so my question is, once a person sees this, are they stupid for believing something that CAN be seen working behind the scenes of the govt's of the world or are they stupid for denying it and continuing to fall for that manipulation?
The problem is, I am betting, is that you have read little of the bible, particularly the old testament where it is shown the most who these men are that are manipulating us and what their plan is. I am betting that you have only heard the interpretations given by your fellow man. Way to research and prove your pointless point. It will be your downfall and not mine is all I can say.
If you REALLY want to know, than you will. That is the best advice I have to anyone.
[edit on 8-12-2008 by justamomma]
reply posted on 8-12-2008 @ 10:46 PM by Simplynoone
Leo there is no evolving coming in fact just the OPPOSITE was told in scriptures ..it says what is coming is a GREAT FALLING AWAY from the TRUTH
..and LOVE GROWING COLD .(dont you see that now?) .....and falling away from GOD >> ..
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Does not sound like anyone evolving into anything but serious digressing (is that the right word?)going down in our near future ......wouldnt you say ?
Before the renewing of the earth takes place ....there is first a seperation of the wheat from the chaff ..and a treading of the grapes ...and a burning of the chaff and the fields (to purify and bust up the dirt and kill all the weeds and the seeds of the weeds) ..there are WEEDS in the garden and the Lord is allowing them to grow up together ..until the HARVEST >..
Read about the Jewish harvests...
www.wcg.org...
Read the word where it talks about the wheat harvest and the seperating of the wheat and the chaff and the reaping ....and then the treading of the grapes ..etc .....it is very enlightening and would help you understand it all better on whats coming and why it will happen as it happens ...
www.blueletterbible.org...
(THESE ARE THE WORDS OF JESUS )
If you are at all familiar with gardening or planting of fields etc ...and harvests .you would understand that we are the plants in his garden ..and the field is the world ...etc etc ....
Mat 22
Luk 14
Etc etc etc ..
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Does not sound like anyone evolving into anything but serious digressing (is that the right word?)going down in our near future ......wouldnt you say ?
Before the renewing of the earth takes place ....there is first a seperation of the wheat from the chaff ..and a treading of the grapes ...and a burning of the chaff and the fields (to purify and bust up the dirt and kill all the weeds and the seeds of the weeds) ..there are WEEDS in the garden and the Lord is allowing them to grow up together ..until the HARVEST >..
Read about the Jewish harvests...
www.wcg.org...
Read the word where it talks about the wheat harvest and the seperating of the wheat and the chaff and the reaping ....and then the treading of the grapes ..etc .....it is very enlightening and would help you understand it all better on whats coming and why it will happen as it happens ...
www.blueletterbible.org...
(THESE ARE THE WORDS OF JESUS )
If you are at all familiar with gardening or planting of fields etc ...and harvests .you would understand that we are the plants in his garden ..and the field is the world ...etc etc ....
Mat 22
Luk 14
Etc etc etc ..
reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 12:02 AM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by justamomma
I apologize for assumptions I made of your beliefs. I am truly sorry that I jumped the gun, that was wrong of me to do so.
I take interests in some of what you said pretaining to the differences in the OT and the NT.
I do find it so ironic though...we have some very spiritual people discussing in this topic, they all feel (including I ) that they have found a understanding of 'what God is and what God wants'. Each path might be unique in what that soul needs to gain from this life here. I am not going to be quick to judge and say anyone is truly 'wrong' but yet, I believe each comes to an understanding that helps their soul find peace and progress in growth.
Peace,
LV
I apologize for assumptions I made of your beliefs. I am truly sorry that I jumped the gun, that was wrong of me to do so.
I take interests in some of what you said pretaining to the differences in the OT and the NT.
I do find it so ironic though...we have some very spiritual people discussing in this topic, they all feel (including I ) that they have found a understanding of 'what God is and what God wants'. Each path might be unique in what that soul needs to gain from this life here. I am not going to be quick to judge and say anyone is truly 'wrong' but yet, I believe each comes to an understanding that helps their soul find peace and progress in growth.
Peace,
LV
reply posted on 9-12-2008 @ 12:19 AM by LeoVirgo
reply to post by Simplynoone
Simplynoon,
Some of my favorite passages are about the harvesting of the fruits and the separating of the wheat's ect.....I truly love the idea of the winepress and the grapes.
Still, to say there is only ONE interpretation I cant say that....I feel the winepress is the earth, the grapes (our flesh) gets trodded through this winepress...this is how all the light is saved of Thee. I still also believe that another winepress will be given for those souls who do not bring much light through. I dont believe anything will ever exists outside of Thee...so for this reason, I believe God makes a way for all to find a way (unless all light within them becomes blown out like a flame in the wind.
I know I know...reincarnation is not so yada yada....I have very personal reasons to KNOW it is so. I dont think this is important to know...its just something the spirit has shown me of how Thee works. I hold no reverence in my beliefs over any others. I find my purpose with my beliefs just as beneficial as others purpose with theirs. Even the evil things that we see as evil...it has a purpose for the growth of others if they are willing to allow the experiences of others to teach them something through that evil.
The peacekeepers and peace bringers path may vary from some of the modernised paths of beliefs. This is OK....just because my beliefs dont jive completely with others doesnt make them or me rightous enough to call it absolute truth. Its only truth for the believer....it is not absolute for someone that has been shown different from the spirit.
Peace to all,
LV
Simplynoon,
Some of my favorite passages are about the harvesting of the fruits and the separating of the wheat's ect.....I truly love the idea of the winepress and the grapes.
Still, to say there is only ONE interpretation I cant say that....I feel the winepress is the earth, the grapes (our flesh) gets trodded through this winepress...this is how all the light is saved of Thee. I still also believe that another winepress will be given for those souls who do not bring much light through. I dont believe anything will ever exists outside of Thee...so for this reason, I believe God makes a way for all to find a way (unless all light within them becomes blown out like a flame in the wind.
I know I know...reincarnation is not so yada yada....I have very personal reasons to KNOW it is so. I dont think this is important to know...its just something the spirit has shown me of how Thee works. I hold no reverence in my beliefs over any others. I find my purpose with my beliefs just as beneficial as others purpose with theirs. Even the evil things that we see as evil...it has a purpose for the growth of others if they are willing to allow the experiences of others to teach them something through that evil.
The peacekeepers and peace bringers path may vary from some of the modernised paths of beliefs. This is OK....just because my beliefs dont jive completely with others doesnt make them or me rightous enough to call it absolute truth. Its only truth for the believer....it is not absolute for someone that has been shown different from the spirit.
Peace to all,
LV
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