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Originally posted by SuperTruper
I must really, really be missing something here.
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
However, how does this stand regarding 'entrapment' in Texas? Surely this is 'entrapment' of sorts?
Originally posted by NGC2736
This was an empty house/building. But what about those cases where "bad intel/criminal actions involve a home where real live people are in the way of those drawn guns? You find nothing wrong then either?
Originally posted by NGC2736
The question is about the cops using "distortions" to gain warrants, which in a significant number of instances could endanger human life and always, under such methods, would be a violation of the Constitutional rights of the citizen.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
reply to post by SuperTruper
You clearly did not read the whole thread SuperTruper. It seems highly probable that the police obtained their probable cause by unconstitutional methods, because the sting was specifically set up to fool cops into raiding based on something they would almost certainly not observe without illegal use of FLIR, which is a violation of the 4th ammendment.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
reply to post by SuperTruper
Read the court decision I cited earlier (there is a link to it in it's entirety). It completely blows away your contention that warrants can be granted on request. That's the whole point of Probable Cause.
If you are speaking from experience, then you have unknowingly observed criminal activity and should rethink your association with the organizations involved.
Originally posted by SuperTruper
Well, the police just don't go around raiding random homes hoping to nail a grow operation. Something made them want to get a warrant for this particular house.
Originally posted by SuperTruper
Seeing grow lights from outside gives police probable cause.
Originally posted by The Vagabond
Police invade the privacy of peoples homes with thermal imaging to locate grow lights, and access electric records without probable cause to identify conditions which are most commonly associated with growing operations.
Originally posted by Merriman Weir
Originally posted by SuperTruper
Seeing grow lights from outside gives police probable cause.
Isn't that one of the issues though? The police aren't actually seeing grow lights in the first place? That they're actually using thermal imaging cameras illegally?
Originally posted by SuperTruper
See, here's the thing. This kopbusters guy is not god, he can't see everything.
Originally posted by SuperTruper
As far as thermal imaging, that one's up for debate. There's no law saying police cannot use it, and while the constitution says we have right to privacy, it doesn't define what exactly breaches our privacy rights. The constitution is very vague.
Originally posted by SuperTruper
In this particular case, the police thought a grow operation was taking place. So they asked a judge for a warrant, with the reason that they thought a grow operation was taking place in that building. The judge granted them the warrant, giving them full authority to search the residence.