Originally posted by dooper
Funny how after extended bombardment, we can gradually find ourselves incrementally accepting things that previously we found intolerable.
The One who doesn't change has spoken. His words, His rules.
Grace? Everybody's forgiven no matter what? You better get back and do some more reading.
Its the nature of things while you live in duality...one thing shifts to the other - and your never in control in this scenario.
Paul did mention that we "must work out our salvation for ourselves" - probably best to do just that...
I know, its tempting and more exciting to seek without and try to 'fix' things and people.
(Talking from experience, not pointing fingers.)
'Sin' means to 'miss the mark'. And seeing that the Bible says we all missed the mark, not sure what the issue is if we are busy 'working out our
own salvation with fear and trembling'.
One might begin to see that the mark (bullseye on the dart board is a part of the whole...and the term 'missing' may become relative to the
"All things work together for good to those who love him."
Frankly Im not one to say who loves Him...or to draw that line.
Though one may argue, "he who does the will of my father..."
But remember the will is to "love your neighbor as yourself and the Lord with all your heart."
We dont even love ourselves, let alone each other.
Love is defined by Paul, "remember no wrong, etc."
We are so caught up in the idea of people getting away with things, we forget we are locked in our own hellish prisons - so no one really gets away
with anything...we create enough hell on our own for ourselves.
Jesus "loved the sinner, but not the sin."
Remember that Jesus always saw a person, not a label.
There were not tax collectors, or prostitutes, or homosexuals...
...there were ONLY people. Individuals...who existed in the only point in time which is real - the "Now", or present moment. (God said he is the "I
AM" - not focused on some illusion of past or future...or tied to some mental thought form in the present about a 'past present experience, or a
future present experience...present is what is is...present/now.)
So when Jesus saw people, they were not identified by an action - which is very common for us to do today. (Especially amongst those who profess to be
The need to identify oneself with a label, or others with a label, is the very thing that keeps that person in bondage. That is why the alcoholic will
never be free because they say, "I will always be an Alcoholic" - fine, then speak the future you want.
Are you doing such and such now? No? Your just sitting and reading this...than that is who you are.
"What Im the person reading this? That sounds stupid."
Exactly. You are not defined by your actions. Your actions take place at any given moment, but you do not have to be slave to them - and this is what
Jesus knew, and what freed people he came in contact with...he did not expect "Change" - he Loved them...or accepted them for where they were at the
time he met them.
And if he were to walk in on someone in the act of sin, he would not throw judgement upon their actions - their action, whatever it may be, will judge
them itself. Dont believe it? Try to look back on your own life to see this to be true.
You suffer till you realize that you dont need to suffer anymore.
"God is close to all...even in Sheol" - God is within.
Jesus teachings are true and have power - but we hear what man has to say about it and which has been distorted through the pulpit, etc.
No one reads for themselves. They read but do not understand - they "have ears but do not hear - have eyes but do not see".
You have to "search with all your heart" to find.
And most of us seek in fear...and you cant get anywhere with that.
So is the Bible true, then we must take its most practical guides and live by it.
Love - seek with all our heart. (Does that mean seeking outside your denomination...maybe picking up a book by A. Crowely....now that is seeking, and
no I am not saying he has the answer...as that is not the point. The answer is in the simple words of Jesus that we ignore.
- simply put, we are driven by the very thing which the Bible warns us against...fear.
Is Gods "arm so short that it cannot save"?
From many Christians view point you would swear that the universe is about to fall apart if "such and such" happens/doesnt happen.
What is your focus? What is it you truly want?
For many Im 'afraid' you are wrapped up and comfortable in the duality stories you have. And I dont want to deprive you of that story...its yours.
Why cause myself the pain of getting involved and creating an argument which feeds such duality.
In the end, the answer is there for all.
Its a seed, ready to sprout, and its unbiased. Its there for the seeker...but you have to seek...with all your heart. (Trusting 'God' and not giving
[edit on 7-12-2008 by dAlen]