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posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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WELCOME!



I believe the trails in the sky that affect our weather are chemicals, told to the pilots and crews as being a necessary evil to combat global warming, but in reality, a sinister tool to suck up and unsuspecting population of all their assets through health problems, and soon, killing off the weaker, the "useless eaters"

Originally, it began as a way to manipulate the weather. They would get farmers to pay them to create a 15-20% better chance of rain on their crops. The problem is they use salts, such as silver iodide and ammonium iodide to seed the clouds. Salts, even in small amounts, will create more alkaline in the soil, and set off the ph balance. So they created new fertilizers to offset this.

Soon, they invented seeds that could handle this change in the environment.
The problem is, the trees began to die, and fish got toxicities from the silver and other chemicals they have used and experimented with, and made up names like "whirling disease" and invented "catch and release.

Well, those who have for a long time pushed for population control, and genetic genocide, saw potential in this new technology. Why not take it to the next step, making money from water boards by manipulating where the water falls. The rain, started going to the highest bidder.

And of course, there were the farmers still, and they don't like hail, so that industry boomed too. Fog dispersion at airports became commonplace. Ski area pumped in large amounts of money too.

But, the big players, found ways to pump vaporized liquid CO2 (dry ice) into the atmosphere to "supercool the air" and make it all more effective, all the while those in the know knew very well it was like sitting in a running car in a garage.

And the silver caused or increased autism, alzheimers, cancer, heart disease, restless leg syndrome. The salts cause iodism, and anorexia and reaks havoc on plants and aquatic environments. Look at the trees on the side of a rode, after they salted it all winter.

And by buying up pharm stocks and investing in the health care system, and selling docs on new drugs and made up diseases, they have effectively sucked up the wealth of the common man/woman and enslaved them into low wage, high cost healthcare systems.






posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 07:49 PM
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So, before you listen to the experts, please examine the all the pictures, that I have taken myself with a Kodak Z710 with 10X zoom.







So, before you write off Chemtrails as mere water vapor
in the form of contrails, ask yourself, what if it's true??

What if they really aren't just harmless water vapor. What if...
They are killing us like they are killing the trees, the oceans.



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:02 PM
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How about before you write off contrails as chemtrails you ask yourself, what could be poisoning us?
Aircraft spraying chemicals all over the place at high altitude, hoping it will fall over the desired target?

Or could it be the factories, mines and other manufacturing facilities found in virtually every town and city?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious.



Oh yeah, some sources to back up your theories would be handy too



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:06 PM
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Has flight traffic increased so much because of the increase in flights?? I thought airlines are scaling back on their routes.



The National Aeronautics and Space Administration, which has a mandate to enhance the safety of air travel, has been suppressing huge quantities of data that apparently show the risks for civilian aircraft are much higher than commonly estimated.
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When The Associated Press sought the data under the Freedom of Information Act, the request was rejected by a high NASA official. He said releasing the data “could materially affect the public confidence in, and the commercial welfare of, the air carriers and general aviation companies whose pilots participated in the survey.

www.nytimes.com.../Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/A/Airlines%20and%20Airplanes

Since when was NASA in charge of what is supposed to be public information available from the FAA??

Maybe, it's because...



NASA appointees suppressed climate data, report says
By STEWART M. POWELL Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau
June 3, 2008, 3:42AM

WASHINGTON — Political appointees at NASA headquarters deliberately downplayed scientific evidence documenting global warming for political reasons for more than a year, the agency's watchdog reported Monday
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The investigation began after Hansen and other NASA scientists alleged presidential appointees had suppressed work describing global warming.

www.chron.com...



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:16 PM
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Thank you for asking



Cooper and Jolly (1970) in a review of the ecologic effects of
silver have pointed out that the current experimental practice of
seeding clouds with silver iodide to promote rainfall may lead to new
hazards for both man and natural biologic systems if the practice is
extended (Petering, 1976).

www.inchem.org...



Survey Finds Silver Contamination In North Pacific Waters

ScienceDaily (Mar. 30, 2005) — SANTA CRUZ, CA -- The highest levels of silver contamination ever observed in the open ocean turned up in samples collected during a survey of the North Pacific in 2002. Researchers from the University of California, Santa Cruz, measured silver concentrations 50 times greater than the natural background level.

www.sciencedaily.com...

The next excerpt will show you how powerful silver iodide is.



The silver iodide particles need be only one-millionth of an inch in diameter. A billion billion of them will fit in an eggshell. About 200 pounds of silver iodide may be enough to seed the entire atmosphere of the U.S. at the rate of 100,000 nuclei per cubic foot. Adding one pound per hour will keep it seeded.

www.time.com...



About 1,900 pounds of silver iodide was scattered last year to tweak atmospheric moisture above 102,000 square miles out West - a patch of sky nearly twice the size of Iowa. An additional 30 projects already are booked for this year.

"It's like a religion. (Whether it works) depends on who you talk to and what you believe," said Steve Schmitzer, the Denver Water Board's chief of water resources analysis.

www.informationliberation.com...



At the time of his discovery, Dr. Vonnegut worked in the research laboratory of Dr. Irving Langmuir at General Electric Company in Schenectady, New York. Their initial work on cloud seeding was funded by the Company, not the U.S. Government. General Electric rented an airplane and released dry ice into clouds on four days during November and December 1946. The last day of seeding coincided with the "heaviest snowfall of the winter" in the Schenectady, New York area, which made the Company management concerned about the possibility of cloud seeding experiments causing harmful weather. (Havens, Jiusto, Vonnegut, 1978, pp. 7-8) A history of early cloud seeding produced by General Electric Company says:

It was recognized that the possibility of liability for damage from cloud-seeding experiments was a very worrisome hazard in this new form of cloud experimentation. Since such a threat to the share owner's money would not be balanced by any known gain to the Company's products or business, there was a great reluctance to incur risks of uncertain but potentially great magnitude.

This was another – and particularly important – reason that any seeding experiments be conducted under government sponsorship. No further seeding flights were made until such sponsorship was provided.
(Havens, Jiusto, Vonnegut, 1978, p. 8)
Just two months later, the U.S. Army Signal Corps began a contract with General Electric for cloud modification experiments. Part of this contract stated:
... the entire flight program shall be conducted by the government, using exclusively government personnel and equipment, and shall be under the exclusive direction and control of such government personnel.
(Havens, Jiusto, Vonnegut, 1978, pp. 8-9)

www.rbs2.com...

I have a bunch more, but I'll let you review these for a bit.



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:39 PM
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I'm confused, are you talking about chemtrails or cloud seeding, because they are quite different.

Can you clarify which subject your talking about? If it's cloud seeding I don't see the big conspiracy here, cloud seeding has been done, with silver iodide since the early 50's to various degrees of success.


Similar trials using silver iodide smoke as the seeding agent were made from 1953-1956 in clouds located anywhere from South Australia to Queensland. Experiments were carried out using both ground based and airborne silver iodide generators. The use of ground based generators was abandoned because of concerns that the silver iodide from the generators failed to reach cloud base. Further, the nucleating properties of the silver iodide decayed during daylight hours. Efforts instead focused on the airborne dispersal of silver iodide. It was concluded that silver iodide was an effective agent in clouds whose upper levels have temperatures cooler than -5oC. Precipitation was induced within 20 to 25 minutes after seeding in cumulus clouds and somewhat later in stratiform clouds (Warner and Twomey, 1956).




It is important that Water Managers not view cloud seeding as a proven technology that works in all circumstances, but rather view it as a technique that is effective in only a limited number of especially suitable meteorological conditions. Where a Water Manager perceives cloud seeding may be effective in augmenting water supplies the principles outlined above should assist in the planning and in the implementation of any cloud seeding experiment. The central theme of the principles is one of a planned approach, with clear accountabilities and quality assurance with proper understanding, realistic performance objectives and measurement.


www.cmar.csiro.au...



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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I guess this thread isn't for you then. If you are convinced that what they are doing in the sky is no harm to mankind, then I don't understand why you should worry about me posting some pics and excerpts from articles.

Yes, chemtrails are what cloud seeding has become. Global weather warfare.

If you choose to ignore that, then that is your choice. But good people deserve the truth. No government spook disinfo. Thanks for your efforts though.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by anti-baphomet]



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 08:54 PM
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We all know about the government document called "Owning the Weather in 2025, right?



From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of
natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control,
weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an
adversary.

csat.au.af.mil...

What's scary, is I think they are currently using nanotechnologies.

You see, silver is highly conductive. And, it doesn't corrode in the atmosphere, like aluminum, which would be cheaper.

So, attach "chips" to the silver salts and then you can direct them.



Tiny "smart" devices that can be borne on the wind like dust particles could be carried in space probes to explore other planets, UK engineers say.

The devices would consist of a computer chip covered by a plastic sheath that can change shape when a voltage is applied, enabling it to be steered.

news.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by anti-baphomet
reply to post by Chadwickus
 


I guess this thread isn't for you then. If you are convinced that what they are doing in the sky is no harm to mankind, then I don't understand why you should worry about me posting some pics and excerpts from articles.

Yes, chemtrails are what cloud seeding has become. Global weather warfare.

If you choose to ignore that, then that is your choice. But good people deserve the truth. No government spook disinfo. Thanks for your efforts though.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by anti-baphomet]


You're right, this thread isn't for me, because you are another one of those that blindly believe whatever suits your story.

Do you have proof that those photos you took are cloud seeding?
They look an awful lot like contrails to be, especially this one:





Did you know silver iodide has been shown to have no effect on health or the environment?

With an NFPA 704 rating of Blue 2, silver iodide can cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury (e.g., chloroform) with intense or continued but not chronic exposure. However, there have been several detailed ecological studies that showed negligible environmental and health impacts. [2][3][4]. The toxicity of silver and silver compounds (from silver iodide) was shown to be of low order in some studies. These findings likely result from the minute amounts of silver generated by cloud seeding, which are 100 times less than industry emissions into the atmosphere in many parts of the world, or individual exposure from tooth fillings


100 times less than industry emissions? I hope you read the thread I provided for you.



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by anti-baphomet
We all know about the government document called "Owning the Weather in 2025, right?


Oh the fictional representation of future situations/scenarios?


Disclaimer

2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense. The views expressed in this report are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States government. This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios. Any similarities to real people or events, other than those specifically cited, are unintentional and are for purposes of illustration only. This publication has been reviewed by security and policy review authorities, is unclassified, and is cleared for public release.


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posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:16 PM
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Facts about cloud seeding and why.


The reason why they cloud seed


I personally do not believe that there are operations using commercial or even military airplanes to put chemicals into the air through exausts of jets.

For one, the temperature of the exaust from jet engines is considerable and most chemical agents would not be able to withstand it. Second, unless there is some magical mystical formula so that the jet engine exaust heat does not interact with this chemical spray and go BOOM and blow up the entire aircraft and create a very long fire trail in the sky, there would have to be some other evidence that would convince me that there are purposely harmful sprays being put into the air by jet aircraft to somehow cause people to get sick or control population or whatever.


Keep in mind, we do not see selected portions of the population, such as mlitary families, politicians, or anyone else, running around on a day to day basis, wearing gas masks to keep from breathing in this alledged chemtrail stuff.


When that happens, then and only then would there be reason to worry.




Cheers!!!!



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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csat.au.af.mil...

Seriously, I don't see what's so funny.



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:21 PM
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I agree with everything you have said. These chem trails are definitely harmful. They are doubling up around here lately. More so at night. I see stuff falling down from sky a lot at night. Tiny flake-like things. I think it is nanotechnologies also. I still to this day cannot understand why people can't SEE this going on in the sky. It makes no sense at all.



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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Seriously, read the disclaimer.

What's funny is you thinking this is the smoking gun...



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by imysbbad
reply to post by anti-baphomet
 


I agree with everything you have said. These chem trails are definitely harmful. They are doubling up around here lately. More so at night. I see stuff falling down from sky a lot at night. Tiny flake-like things. I think it is nanotechnologies also. I still to this day cannot understand why people can't SEE this going on in the sky. It makes no sense at all.


What city are you located in?

Why don't you get a sample of these "tiny flake-like things" and go get it sampled?

Did you actually read the article anti-baphomet posted? It was TOTALLY unrelated to cloud seeding/contrails/chemtrails.
It was discussing the use of nano-technology in SPACE



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 10:36 PM
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posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Tinkabit
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Shame on you.

stfu


I really hope you're being sarcastic.

I really do...



posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by imysbbad
reply to post by anti-baphomet
 


I agree with everything you have said. These chem trails are definitely harmful. They are doubling up around here lately. More so at night. I see stuff falling down from sky a lot at night. Tiny flake-like things. I think it is nanotechnologies also. I still to this day cannot understand why people can't SEE this going on in the sky. It makes no sense at all.


It is in my opinion that chemtrails are the most important thing to mankind, globally, to change. Not the economy, not politics, wars, but this sinister spraying.

Anyone that looks up into the sky and sees these and calls them normal, is either affected by the chemicals, or part of the scheme.



posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 08:28 AM
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They are very bad where I live, and I am in a remote area.

I do not think they are being sprayed by commercial airlines. I have not seen a commercial airline flying over this area.

They are being sprayed, none the less though.

The strangest ones I have seen out here, are when the trails were green.
It was pretty errie looking.

I do not know if it is related but out where I am , there is now an excess of salts
in the ground. The cement, and even my dirt has a white powder that stains it.
The neighbors have it as well. It was not here a year ago.

Anything that was growing in those areas has now died and nothing will grow there. I did some research to figure out what this stuff is, and it appears to be excess salt. Why would it appear now? I am on an incline, and there is no run off to my property, or my neighbors. Anyway, could be related, maybe not. It I just strange, but the spraying gets very heavy over here. The last one was a day before a cold front was to come in. We were supposed to get rain, well heavy spraying, not a drop. The temps here are very high . We are still having 80 degree days and it is December! Not normal. There is another front coming down from Ca so will be watching to see if there is any activity.


[edit on 6-12-2008 by amatrine]



posted on Dec, 6 2008 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by amatrine


I do not know if it is related but out where I am , there is now an excess of salts
in the ground. The cement, and even my dirt has a white powder that stains it.
The neighbors have it as well. It was not here a year ago.

Anything that was growing in those areas has now died and nothing will grow there. I did some research to figure out what this stuff is, and it appears to be excess salt.


[edit on 6-12-2008 by amatrine]


Thank you!

Take a look on your windshield after a rain or snow. See how dirty it is.

We are getting higher alkaline levels here too. This is a large farming area that grows most of the barley for Coors, and Budweiser.

Farmers are telling me that the yields are falling. But the prices were up this year, so watch for your beer prices to go up.

The salt is very bad for us and the environment.



Chemical Name: Silver iodide (99.9%-Ag)
Product Number: 93-4714
CAS Registry Number: 7783-96-2
Formula: AgI
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Emergency Overview: Iodide dusts may be irritating to the respiratory tract. Chronic exposure to silver salts may lead to a skin discoloration.
Primary Routes of Exposure: Contact with skin and eyes. Inhalation of dust.
Eye Contact: Contact with eyes may cause irritation, redness, and pain.
Skin Contact: May cause irritation to skin. Symptoms include redness, itching and pain, pimples, boils, hives and blisters.
Inhalation: May cause irritation to the respiratory tract. Symptoms may include coughing and shortness of breath.
Ingestion: Large oral doses may cause irritation to the gastrointestinal tract
Acute Health Effects: May be irritating to skin, eyes and respiratory tract.
Chronic Health Effects: Chronic ingestion of iodides may produce iodism. Symptoms include skin rash, running nose, headache and irritation of mucous membranes. Silver may discolor the skin.
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RTECS Data: Bacteria-Salmonella typhimurium; Mutation in microorganisms: 30mg/L/72H. Bacteria-Salmonella typhimurium; Mutation in microorganisms: 150mg/L/72H. Human lymphocyte; Sister chromatid exchange: 100ug/L/72H.

www.strem.com...

Read that last part carefully. Remember the tomatoe/jalapeno "causing Salmonella" last summer?? "Mutation in microorganisms"?

Scary stuff.




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