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reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 02:59 PM by Bombeni
Originally posted by Incarnated
The basic engine that drives the galaxy, the galatic gravitional disk, is also the engine that drives the 2012 phenomenon. The 2012 phenomenon is the 7 year passage of our solar system accross the galatic horizion. This event happens every 13000 years. The last time we crossed the horizion is about 10500 bce where there is a blackout in human history. That's the part where history becomes mythology.

This passage however will be "the end of the world". The "World" doesn't refer to the planet nor mankind. As a world map isn't the geography of the planet but the way mankind has cut the land into kingdoms and nations, the "end of the world" is the end of the civil systems of mankind.

This passage is the "end of the world" because of several side phenomenon to happen at and around the same time of the passage rushed because of the extra gravitional force of the passage. Such includeds the geographical and magnetic pole shifts associated with the unforseenly great solar maximum cycle. All this stress also brings about nuclear war with bio and chemical elements.

Happy end of the world to you!



Well thanks for that summary Incarnated, but I don't think it's going to help the old folks much, you see they don't just don't understand all this newfangled business. They are just now beginning to realize that when you say something is cool, you don't mean temperature-wise.

[edit on 5-12-2008 by Bombeni]



reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:02 PM by Incarnated
reply to post by Bombeni



What perspective did you wish me to persent the infomation in?

There are many ways of looking at this thing, and more ways of presenting the info.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:06 PM by Bombeni
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I was looking for a website, ya know, with all the info. about the Mayan calender ending in 2012, and the connection with the galaxy line up, I was looking for one I could print out for them to read. But the sites I have found interject too much personal prediction, scary hopeless warning, etc.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:14 PM by Incarnated
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There are a couple of documentaries I'd sudgest, if you can get your hands on them.

www.2012theodyssey.com...
kinda hippy guru stuff but good info.

www.thehorizonproject.com...
a very good but scientificly heavy overview

There is many side phenomenon associated with the 2012 phenomenon. There are many people grasping in the darkness of confusion. Strangely they all try to assume their perspectives work into the human perspective. They don't, but they all seem to fit into it some how. This is a great puzzle.

Let me know if you need more info.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:18 PM by Anti - Government
It has never been said by the mayans atall that it will be the end of time thats just people assuming the worst yes the planets will aling and also weirdly enough i found this Here it says on 11:11 21st december 2012 (which is exactly what the mayans predicted) it will be the beggining of The Winter Solstice im not sure wether thast means anything bad usually but i doubt that the mayans will predict their last ever prediction event 5,ooo years in time just so we know its the winter solstice in 2012 personally i think something big will happen possibly a pole shift

hers anothr link Hindu and mayan 2012 prediction


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:22 PM by Bombeni
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Yes I see what you mean about all the side phenomena related to this. I am not even sure now if I CAN find a simple, straighforward article to explain 2012. I will look at your links. I'd say, well I will just take some here, and some there, and print out a summary of articles for them, but I'm not even sure what I am looking for. For some reason the whole thing just hasn't interested me. I think the Y2K thing soured alot of us.



reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:24 PM by Incarnated
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Well the 2012 phenomenon is "The end of the World", that equates to a cycle ending and a new one beginning. There's infomation everywhere.

There are scientific statements that through assumptions can forcast some heavy events.

There's a heaping helping of prophetic statements all centering around 2012.

There's historic events tied together and linking back to front toward the future.

What sort of infomation are you looking to provide to the old folxs?


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:30 PM by Incarnated
Originally posted by Bombeni
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post by Incarnated


I think the Y2K thing soured alot of us.


That's the best case.

However I knew all about 1999 and 2000 and I knew they were nothing.

Depending upon how you look at it, the 2012 phenomenon is the jackpot.

The 2012 phenomenon is the real deal.

If you're just looking to sooth the nerves of the old folxs you can tell them that most of the infomation seems to be the confused ramblings from mentally unstable people. That wouldn't be far from the truth.



However as I am being logical, the 2012 phenomenon is a real event. The events will start picking up May2009, about the point our solarsystem starts breaking the horizion, and the events will quickly pick up toward the 2012 date. After that point it's like falling off a log. LOL

Don't know what to tell you. Unless you're unafraid the 2012 phenomenon can seem scary. The events are real and the world will know it soon enough.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:34 PM by Bombeni
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Well they are all old people, 80+. I was just hoping to find a well-written article that explained the current hype behind the 2012 thing, ya know, just how it came about. Not with all the personal predictions what people THINK might happen. And one that explains how the alignment in the planets coincides exactly with the end of this calendar (if that is in fact true). I guess I am going to have to spend some time just going from website to website, picking out the articles I think they could assimilate, if ya know what I mean. I was hoping I could just find one already put together, and the word that comes to mind is "2012 for Dummies" (but they aren't dumb, just older and not prone to new ideas) ----- I want them to be able to understand the whole thing without just reading a couple paragraphs and saying "hmm well another nutcase got turned loose" ---


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:39 PM by Incarnated
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Well as you might have guessed I'm a little well versed in the 2012 phenomenon. I guess I just have too much time on my hands. If you'd like we can try to figure out that document together on this thread. I told you I have too much time on my hands.





There's alot of little tie ins. If you can ask the question, mostlikely I have the answer.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:50 PM by Incarnated
the 2012 date is nothing new. It's been popularized for many decades. There's jewelery from the 50-70's popularizing the mayan calendar. The calendar is the most accuratly known tracking device of the cosmos.

The mayan calendar does filp over. It "resets". However it's the events that are suposed to happen at the resetting that make some conserned.

back in the 60s the mayan calendar was big, but back then there were alot of prophetic statements about the future. Only as we've drawn closer to the 2012 point have many of those prophecies started to align. Even more intresting is that science has made some breakthroughs suporting events in prophecy that were before thought to be sciencefiction.

I know hand fulls of prophetic statements pointing toward the 2012 phenomenon but I only need 3 to point out the reality behind the event.

First you have the mayan calendar that acts as more a pointer in time. It by the way isn't the only pointer. Then you ad to that Nostradamus's statements such as "shortly after the great millinum" and the finding of the "Lost Book" foretold by Nostradams that also points at the celestual alignment. Thirdly we ad in chance. Malacy was a man that lived 800 years ago. He was given a prophecy of 111 numbered popes until the events spoken about in the book of revelation. That list, of 111 men, could float. It could be such a list exaused itself within a couple hunderd years of being delivered, or the list could have gone into the future a couple hundred years, but isn't it just a little odd that the 111th pope was elected in time for the 2012 phenomenon?

There is no real planetary alignment. The "aligenment" is with the earth on a winter's solstis through the sun facing the center of our galaxy.



reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:52 PM by Incarnated
Originally posted by Bombeni
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post by Solomons



How are people making money from it?



They are talking about those publishing books, doing lecture tours, making and selling documentaries... and so on.

i could write a book, but I understand the phenomenon to be real and that drive to write and produce would get in the way of finding the truth absolute.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 03:57 PM by Bombeni
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Well perhaps I can paste together what I think may be a comprehensive collection of articles and let you look at it. I don't want it to be too spacey/mystic, "just the facts maam" -- I can't get on that project until next week though. I know when I see them at Christmas they will ask "Bombeni did you remember to get that information about that 2012 stuff?" --- I have done this before for them on various subjects. Thanks for your offer!


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 04:01 PM by Bombeni
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Well, I must say that just reading your couple of posts, you have caused me to want to understand it more. Do you recommend a particular book on the subject? You've been studying this a long time I take it. How long do you suppose it would take a person just starting out, to get a pretty grasp on 2012?


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 04:21 PM by MCoG1980
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A someone mentioned earlier. Type 2012 in the search bar on this site - it should give you the insight you are looking for on the 'many' predictions and also other things that are known to happen in 2012, e.g. suns pole reversal, transit of venus, eros ect.

I thing the best way myself is to read some of them threads then go off and do your own further research, you feel happier because you have put the effort in and also will feel the compulsion to share with other members who gave the time to share their own findings with you.

I had stumbled on 2012 prediction and it led to me to rearch on other curiosities, such as the allignments that megalithic buildings, ancient civilizations have and also sacred geometry - fascinating stuff.
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