Tell me, What makes whites racist?

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posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by InvisibleHeroes
Tell me, What makes whites racist?

I find that statement racist.

But to answer it.Anyone can be racist.
Skin color is irrelevant.
The color of ones skin is so extremely unimportant it would lead me to believe that racists in general are just plain dumb.
So what makes people in general be racist?I believe its there low iq.

[edit on 20-12-2008 by InvisibleHeroes]


I agree, the logic that whites are racists because they are 65% of the population is in its own way a fallacy. Back when racism was institutionalized I would agree, but that was decades ago.

We do not live on a national level, for we live in states and then counties, and then communities etc. When you look at a state like Texas where the white population is 3rd behind the blacks and Mexicans, can a white person be racist there?

Where we still have racism is on a more individual level with whites that were adults in the 60s and before, but they are literary a dying group with them well in their retirement years.

We also see the same with much of the older black population that still have deep anger festering in them from what they experienced many decades ago.

These two groups are rapidly disappearing and so what we have are new cultures that every decade since the 60s have been much more tolerant with each other. Those older generations have had influence on younger generations for both blacks and whites, but that influence has been less and less with each generation.

Today when I see a racist white person I see an ignorant person who is blaming their inability to have a good life on others and not themselves. Also, when I see a young angry black man the situation is the same in they are blaming others for something that they have only themselves to blame.

Racism from decades ago has become a crutch for many to use today to blame their personal problems on. But what makes a person valuable in the working force? To start you need to be reliable as in an honest day of work for an honest day of pay. You then need to have a skill or education that makes you desirable to employers. You need to foster a professional attitude and appearance, for if you are always antiestablishment why would anyone want to hire you? Also if you want your dress and style to be completely out of the norm for the work you are trying to get you will have a hard time once again. Lastly, you need to want to continually improve your life, and that could mean further education, moving to another state, working long hours to get ahead, all for a better future.

If you are not doing this above you have no one to blame but yourself. I spent 28 years in the military because I could not afford an education as a white male. I saw many minorities getting basically free education at top universities, and I couldn’t afford one semester. Joining the military gave me a great avenue to achieve, and now I’m well educated and highly skilled with a great paying job, but it took me a good chunk of my life to reach this point.

What was interesting is in the Air Force we have people from all walks of life and all colors but we only see each other as Air Force blue. We were all the same because we had the same desires and dreams of a better life as I explain above even though we all came from completely different backgrounds.

With the big issues we see today within the young black and white communities the blame rests with the self destructive cultures that these groups have fostered. So to place blame you need to look no farther than the community, family and the individual.




posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by The Scarecrow
Well I'll be damned. Another piece of info I missed. Hey what can I say? Some days you're on point, some days you're not. I mean hell, I kept overlooking things and you failed to realize that table 2.3 was race releated. So I guess that makes us even in terms of being off point today.



There were two 2.3's. One was text with racial statistics, the one below it was a graph of 2.3 with total murders. I saw the lower one and thought that was it. Seems quite odd that the table and the graph were both 2.3 and supposedly based on the same data but the graph did NOT reflect race.

But as you can see, when dealing with TOTAL numbers the population differences have to be factored in. Plus the hispanic population is always considered white in these gov studies, and statistically they are about 3 times more likely to committ violent crime compared to the euro-white population. They receive special minority status in all other ways, including as hate crime victims, but when it comes to murder they become just "regular white people".



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
reply to post by The Bald Champion
 


Yes, absolutely!

If we took away the monetary system, would we not all be the same?


The old saying "money doesnt buy happiness", well I think they should have said, "just kidding" afterwards. It might not buy happiness, but have you ever saw a poor person skipping?


Poverty is a disease, and most inner city kids are raised in poverty, thus, killing for shoes. No im not making excuses for them, its a situation, and situations create evil, or good people.

Like you yourself say, you have a temper? And in certain situations, you react differently. The situation creates the "you" of the moment. Which btw, bad boys are sexy..lol..ok ok, thats not the topic.



You only react how you let yourself react.....



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Moose Head

Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
reply to post by The Bald Champion
 


Yes, absolutely!

If we took away the monetary system, would we not all be the same?


The old saying "money doesnt buy happiness", well I think they should have said, "just kidding" afterwards. It might not buy happiness, but have you ever saw a poor person skipping?


Poverty is a disease, and most inner city kids are raised in poverty, thus, killing for shoes. No im not making excuses for them, its a situation, and situations create evil, or good people.

Like you yourself say, you have a temper? And in certain situations, you react differently. The situation creates the "you" of the moment. Which btw, bad boys are sexy..lol..ok ok, thats not the topic.



You only react how you let yourself react.....


IT's true...

ITs all about self control



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Government Cheese
reply to post by Cairowoman
 


What blame do you place on the blacks who sold other blacks into said slave trade?

How much responsibility do they carry for the sins of the past?



Most slaves were kidnapped and brought to America....



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 03:40 PM
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reply to post by The Bald Champion
 

So money is the true key to racism.
Black, white, chinese, etc, if you are rich, then people respect you, no matter what race, or religion you are.

Money is power. Power is respect.

Pep: This is not necessarily what I believe. I demand respect because I give it.


BTW, Im up late, I'm a vampire..lol



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Moose Head
Most slaves were kidnapped and brought to America....


Who do you think kidnapped them? Slave trading was HUGE all over Africa, and you can be sure the white slave traders were NOT marching all over Africa, hunting natives, and loading them into little boats. Africans were capturing them and bringing them to market for the other Africans, Arabs, or American buyers. They might be kept as slaves there, or boarded onto ships and sold elsewhere, or marched through the Sahara desert to buyers in the middle east., or even eaten as part of the local cuisine (yes really).

Plus with slavery being so very very common in Africa it was more readily accepted. Slaves may have been freshly caught, or they may have lived that life for a long time, or possibly been born into it. Many WERE resigned to their fate because it had always been a part of that culture.

After the rise of Islam the foreign slave trade really took off because while slaves were a large part of middle eastern culture, they could no longer take conquered tribes in battle (they could not turn free Muslims into slaves) so they had to start importing them. Plus they had a need for castrated male slaves, an that was forbidden too, but if they were castrated in Africa and imported it was not a problem (except most died from the procedure).

If it was just about kidnapping people why bother to go all the way to africa to begin with? Why not enslave Native Americans or Mexicans? It would surely be less expensive, no shipping costs. There was a reason they imported slaves from Africa, and that was because it was a HUGE trade in Africa and slavery was widely accepted by everyone over there.

Modern historical depictions make it seem like the poor africans that were caught and sold were SHOCKED by this whole barbaric slavery idea that the evil white men came up with. Hardly!


[edit on 20-12-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by Moose Head
Most slaves were kidnapped and brought to America....


Who do you think kidnapped them? Slave trading was HUGE all over Africa, and you can be sure the white slave traders were NOT marching all over Africa, hunting natives, and loading them into little boats. Other Africans were capturing them and bringing them to market for the Arabs and the American buyers.

Plus with slavery being so very very common in Africa it was more readily accepted. The people that were captured either already lived that way for a long time, or were resigned to their fate. They might be kept as slaves there, or boarded onto ships and sold elsewhere, or marched through the Sahara desert to buyers in the middle east.

If it was just about kidnapping people why bother to go all the way to africa to begin with? Why not enslave Native Americans, or Mexicans? There was a reason they imported slaves from Africa, and that was because it was a HUGE trade in Africa and slavery was widely accepted by everyone over there.

[edit on 20-12-2008 by Sonya610]



youve been lied to....but whats new...ive been lied to before but it was easier to track down....im thinking of doing some time traveling...as in the ufo threads they almost have a time machine built...we can borrow the concept build our own...and we can all get in...but...we must make it worth while...if we go back...and the blacks sold the blacks to the white man...we kick the shyt out of a black person preferably charles barkley...if we go back and the white man kidnapped most of the blacks...we come back and kick bill mahers azz....



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
reply to post by The Bald Champion
 

So money is the true key to racism.
Black, white, chinese, etc, if you are rich, then people respect you, no matter what race, or religion you are.

Money is power. Power is respect.

Pep: This is not necessarily what I believe. I demand respect because I give it.


BTW, Im up late, I'm a vampire..lol


No about the money... I don't think money is the racism key. I was getting personal -
for me.

Honestly I think racism is cultural and maybe genetic in some fashion ( I'm not sure how )

In china the dark chinese folks are considered second tier.

Same thing in Mexico.

Germany.

I'm just fed up with AMERICAN racism, because progress is so slow.

BTW you can't Suck my blood, its high octane and I wouldn't want you to faint.



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by The Bald Champion
Honestly I think racism is cultural and maybe genetic in some fashion ( I'm not sure how )

In china the dark chinese folks are considered second tier.
Same thing in Mexico.
Germany.


Light skin is favored by most cultures, whether or not they have been exposed to western society. Africa, the Middle East, India, even ancient South American cultures.

And yes many preferences are genetic. Very young babies naturally gravitate to the faces of their own race. Humans naturally feel the most protective towards their own family members, but it extends beyond just immediate family. Even in the animal world raising siblings or the offspring of siblings is a priority for some animals, they may not be direct parent/offspring but they share the same genes and by helping the survival of relatives they further their own genetic material.


[edit on 20-12-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by The Bald Champion

Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
reply to post by The Bald Champion
 

So money is the true key to racism.
Black, white, chinese, etc, if you are rich, then people respect you, no matter what race, or religion you are.

Money is power. Power is respect.

Pep: This is not necessarily what I believe. I demand respect because I give it.


BTW, Im up late, I'm a vampire..lol


No about the money... I don't think money is the racism key. I was getting personal -
for me.

Honestly I think racism is cultural and maybe genetic in some fashion ( I'm not sure how )

In china the dark chinese folks are considered second tier.

Same thing in Mexico.

Germany.

I'm just fed up with AMERICAN racism, because progress is so slow.

BTW you can't Suck my blood, its high octane and I wouldn't want you to faint.


Racism is when one takes a stereotype or group characteristic and assumes every individual has that characteristic. But, I see it less where money is involved.

Here's something I found amusing.



In truth, man is incurably foolish. Simple things which the other animals easily learn, he is incapable of learning. Among my experiments was this. In an hour I taught a cat and a dog to be friends. I put them in a cage. In another hour I taught them to be friends with a rabbit. In the course of two days I was able to add a fox, a goose, a squirrel and some doves. Finally a monkey. They lived together in peace; even affectionately.


Next, in another cage I confined an Irish Catholic from Tipperary, and as soon as he seemed tame I added a Scotch Presbyterian from Aberdeen. Next a Turk from Constantinople; a Greek Christian from Crete; an Armenian; a Methodist from the wilds of Arkansas; a Buddhist from China; a Brahman from Benares. Finally, a Salvation Army Colonel from Wapping. Then I stayed away two whole days. When I came back to note results, the cage of Higher Animals was all right, but in the other there was but a chaos of gory odds and ends of turbans and fezzes and plaids and bones and fleshnot a specimen left alive. These Reasoning Animals had disagreed on a theological detail and carried the matter to a Higher Court.

\ by Hugo Pottisch


BTW, so your blood is like Red Bull?



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 04:54 PM
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One of the biggest traits of people in here when they can't face something is go on attack... particularly to make assumptions and brand and attempt to insult someone...

But I'm just being honest...

and NO, I have no reason to be concerned nor am I Jealous lol

I just speak what I see and what's real

Racial tension has ALWAYS been about Sexual dominance and breeding

China doesn't open in the doors to foreigners in numbers for One reason... neither does japan... male fear of sexual competition and keeping Asian Babies...

You use words like Fear or Jealousy or Race

Maybe it gets to that point for some, not me personally, but I don't call the Chinese "racist" or jealous because they keep foreigners out

and I know there is one reason... What "asian culture" are they keeping intact? people absorb social norms and language and diet...

It's Asian Women they are keeping the world away from...

It's not "Fear" they want to remain Asian... have Asian Sons...

Most Hetero Sexual Guys have those desires

It's not about good or bad

It's just the reason for Racism... Sexual Competition

Might be hard for a person who may see them self as oppressed or have been at some point in recent family history to thin of themselves as a threat in anyway...

But the threat to "cultural integrity" really only exists on one level... a natural male desire to breed and breed his own seed...

calling it names makes it into an evil it's not... it might lead to hate or violence, but it's not actually about hate, it's just, a guys desire to see his daughters have families that are like his own...

No one complains when an invading body impregnates the local women via his sons, but your daughters start getting knocked up by another group of guys be it religion or race or what have you.... men, seek to avoid this...

so

deny it all you want

believe it's as simple as skin color or maybe lol.... white guys issue is the way you speak or clothes you wear right? That makes sense?

It's just all about sexual competition... all Racism is... in the end...



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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Oh yeah, I totally believe that SEX has everything to do with Racism...

and you can simply observe it... look at porn stats ...heck look outside...

More than One Black Woman has stood up and confronted this topic...

Black men running after White Women and ignoring Black Women... (Running after White Men too)


I was at an artsy kind of rave club for the first time in a long time a few weeks back....

The sheer Number of DL Brothers was ASTOUNDING (and kind of scary)

Because I'm walking through the club and there these big angry looking brothers gooning at me all hard faced and gangsta'd out...

and then I am think "what...he want's a fight?" and then I get the Big OL Smile...

Racial Sexual Infatuation is REAL

Black men have a fascination (many) with white females

and vice versa for a large number of white females...

White Men and black females... don't have nearly the same thing going on.. on any level

I never have gone out and found myself set on by Black Women...

Nor Have I Ever gone out looking to go to a Black club, to pick up Black females...

White Girls and Black guys do this every night in large numbers...specific, heck... There is a "problem" in the Black community with Black men looking for White guys LOL....

It's just a sexual Dynamic...

Don't kill the messenger

a Similar thing exists between White Men and Asian Women...


Heck when white men showed up on this continent the Natives in the North east had a practice of offering up their women to them for the night... (thus all the syphilis they got)

What's so wrong about the Truth?

Sexual Tension, sexual preference in race...

NOT ALL

But as a dynamic

Racial sexual attraction TENDS to run in certain directions

Sexuality and Breeding is the real reasons for racism... that's in the end the real of it all...

You can reduce the biggest biggots down to things like "color:

But it's deeper... you don;t care how another group of people act or live unless they might be living with your children... or a threat to your wifes curiosities or children...

that's whats real about racism... in the end SEX decides who controls a nation



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:14 PM
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Wow, what a load of nonsense

We are Not all the same... exactly

We are just warped into wanting to act like we are because some Idiots decided to perpetuate violence or slavery on people for those differences so now people like you try to whitewash them away.

People are genetically predisposed to things... it's just that the threat of being labeled makes you want to pretend it';s not real

The problem is...

No one gets the help they need when you pretend all things are equal also...

Terrible tendency we have to label "good or bad" to everything

I.e. Asians are Good at Math...

Why add superiority for it at all... what if? White kids need more help overall in Math than Asians?

We could never say that... it makes someone superior?

It doesn't... but that's where the lies come from... Fear of persecution or degradation

But in a world of Money... IF Asian Kids tend to pick up math easier their economies will dominate unless your honest and address it...

(I'm not saying the above EXAMPLE is true)

Just that differences shouldn't be ignored because ignorant people seek to use those things to boost their lives status



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:20 PM
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Ya I believe the trappings of money, material augmentation and education, can shield folks from being targets, in a very general way. I had a friend named Richard in grade school who was very "white washed" he seemed to be embraced more by the gentry
and shunned by his own sister. I went to high school in a heavily populated AA school
and never felt as though I was targeted for my skin.


I think there are many variables to the actions of racism... Although the mental trappings are the seeds of it all. Generalizations - I make them myself - usually based
upon political idealism.

Have you ever felt targeted personally?

And NO my blood is like a whiskey red bull cocktail that has been boiled down for three years at the center or the sun



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:22 PM
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I do not disagree with this situation you very brightly described as the cause of violence at all.

So would you not say that one of the biggest causes of broken homes in the Black Community is Black male sexual preference and that Black Mothers are inherently harmed by this situation?



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:23 PM
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Great example BTW.



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by The Bald Champion
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Ya I believe the trappings of money, material augmentation and education, can shield folks from being targets, in a very general way. I had a friend named Richard in grade school who was very "white washed" he seemed to be embraced more by the gentry
and shunned by his own sister. I went to high school in a heavily populated AA school
and never felt as though I was targeted for my skin.


I think there are many variables to the actions of racism... Although the mental trappings are the seeds of it all. Generalizations - I make them myself - usually based
upon political idealism.

Have you ever felt targeted personally?

And NO my blood is like a whiskey red bull cocktail that has been boiled down for three years at the center or the sun



I have not ever felt targeted, although I grew up in St Louis, which is very AA populated, I grew up in the suburbs, mostly white.
The few black families in my area were wealthy, doctors, etc. I suppose I never really thought about how they were different, because they had money. Yes, a sheltered "white" life.
But as I went on my own, I experienced being poor, and still never felt that anyone was different than me, other than monetarily. I think I always looked at people on how they acted, also. There are white "thugs" just like there are black "thugs". Im not impressed by either, and dont like either one! So it's never been a matter of race to me, its the presentation. I suppose I could be guilty of being racist again idiots, plain and simple.

But Im also female, it does seem that males have a different outlook on it, entirely.

WOW, whiskey red bull boiled by the sun? I might like to give that a try! Im IRISH, yea..a mick! So sounds like a winner to me!



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:36 PM
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Being murdered by blacks, that would make any white family racist. But of course racism is ok, in that sense.

Imagine all those loons that destory white lifes, but heck thats ok.



posted on Dec, 20 2008 @ 05:39 PM
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You make a point here... and it's made elsewhere

I give this one up

Everyone wants to scream "no differences" "no genetics"

But You have this right... so did Cairo Women...

Black Males commit more crimes, over all... face to face, physical violence, fighting, boxing, gangs, localized crime, bucking the system, crimes of freedom, civil disobeidience, theft for money (economic reasons)

all the Domain of Black crime

White guys

Tend to commit the most heinous acts when they do commit a crime at all,

serial Killers, pedophiles, War... shooting up a school...

So people can say there is no difference

But there are big innate differences...

More like Asians White people prefer (white males) a certain "face" in public... more conformity in daily life

White guys will bottle it up and then suddenly EXPLODE

Where as Black Guys will get Loud right on the spot, seek no socially acceptable means to survive... Mug someone, steal

White Guys mainly will just suffer Until BAM


and here is why I say...

Black people have a right to be concerned, because white people won't say BOO as their rights are stepped on and culture is changed until...

One random day... and then pow Tolerance will go out the _..

It's why we need to talk about these things...

because I think... Cairo has a point about the NWO... and that allot of what is posed as PC behavior and the rest is designed from above to put a slow pressure cooker on race relations particularly in the degradation of White men who...

AS you point out.... wont say a damn thing or do a thing about it.... UNTIL.... BOOM

But that's part of the Non Reality to me of Equality

I think it's fair to say.... We don't like as a people, the commonality of Violence, daily ordinary violence in the Black community

But we all know when White people loose it they will make up that DOJ Death toll statistic stuff in under 48 hrs...

White people when...pushed are far more capable of heinous acts... it really shouldn't be denied, The Term "crazy white boy" doesn't circulate the hood for no reason.





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