i'm not the op.

but if i said i was, would you believe me? how would you know that the op wasn't abducted and that this whole premise was to fool you?

Originally posted by Incarnated
You Are WRONG!

Not saying people have not yet or at some time been abducted. Hey I have a little alien story of my own. BUT when you try to blanket statement a "group" of people, such as "Abductees aren't insane", you create a critical flaw in logic. All I have to do is find ONE insane person that claims to be an abductee to prove you wrong.

YOU are WRONG!


Carry on.

lol, hahahha. Then I could counter argue, that you would have prove that EVERY SINLGLE abductee WAS certfyably insaine, and then call YOU wrong, but as I said....what are some BEHAVIORS that would lead to that conclusion..

I can give many examples of behaviors of people deemed SAINE that I find completley ???? questionable....for example...

#1) People move into my basement suite. I make them sign a lease saying it is NON smoking.....they move in, smoke right away, and then are totally flabbergasted that I kicked them out???? THEn the next person who moves in is an aquantence of our cousin, KNOWS why we kicked the other person ut, and gets cought smoking red handed TWICE, and is again stunned we would kick them out. (it is not like it was ablizzard or anything either, we have a coverd car port they are aliound to smoke in....

#2) Girl falls in love with guy...guy beats crap out of girl, girl goes back over and over and over......DEFINATLY irrational...

#3) bet life savings on a horse, loose, save up and d it again...

#4) Drinking and driving.....is it such a big deal to take a cab or a bus THERE AND BACK??? I never even DRIVE there in the first place when I know I'm drinking....

these are some examples of behavior that while being totally IRRATIONAL, are completley acceptable......


What are some the BEHAVIORS was my question.

Sounds more like the matrix scenario. Everyone believes reality is what they're used to and more comfortable with accepting.

And Yeah, having had what appeared to be a break down has made some things seem a little bit clearer. What was worse was my apparently autistic denial with my poor health habits and sensitivities to many foods and additives which is oddly different from my known family. So much for being "special"

Having been able to reflect recall and recover from what seemed like near death, I am still a survivor and crawling back to civilzation using a new prescription for a reality check.

Most of what you said I assume was over my head and I lost the message.

Originally posted by redled

So therefore the Pope would be considered the most seriously mentally ill person on the planet.

Well he's a former Nazi, and apologises for Paedos in his structure, so yeah, he's got to be pretty fuucked up.

hahahaha the pope nazi apologizes for pedo's hahaha

You see there is more dangerous people on this planet, than people from perhaps a weakish demeanor who believe Aliens talk to them.
They are mostly harmless.
More dangerous people than Christians who think God talks to them.
They are Psychopaths, and they are in positions of power all around you.
And the mainstream considers them normal.And not loony.
But watch this movie.
/65yufu
And you will see they are far from normal.
I am not scared of someone who talks to Aliens, but I am very scared of a pathological liar.

I don't think you're ever going to get answers to your question Melissa

happen to know for a fact (after having completed about 8 standard psychological tests pages and pages actually of some pretty weird questions) that even admitting a belief in aliens, abduction, or a belief that one can do something most cannot - does not deem one to be insane.

There are psychological standards that dictate and it's normally a combination of trigger questions that lead a psychologist/psychiatrist to deliver a certain diagnosis(s').

I am sane after all the tests (which are numerically scored). I was diagnosed with Panic and anxiety with agoraphobia, dysthemia, sloughs of phobias...

But sane. What sanity is exactly I honestly don't know Being esoteric, spiritual or down right flaky doesn't seem to make a person nuts.

I have had missing time also, though not as dramatic as yours. I was vacuuming and put the nozzle down to move something - the vacuum was left running as I did this (standing in my living room) next thing I know I'm in my kitchen wondering when the hell i got there when I was about to move a piece of furniture. That and the time that elapsed has never been solved for me.

Insanity I think is categorized not so much by what one believes, rather by how what they believe impacts their life negatively. Does ones beliefs interfere with the normal day day to routine, does it negatively impact on loved ones and family, does it prevent one from being gainful or prevent one from mingling in "normal" societal manners.

I'm not sure of the psychological / psychiatric model(s) of insanity, but I think it's primarily measure by negative impact of a "condition or conditions" compared to an average model or model of sanity.

Personally I think most people are functionally insane. Just normal enough to get by.

An abductee being called insane is really just a poorly planned attack by one with differing views. however without knowing a person quite well...proving or disproving sanity is impossible. So it's a quick and easy way to belittle someone basically.

I dare say the majority of abductees or experiencers are not out barking at light standards, wearing tinfoil beanies, or building mountains in mashed potatoes.

Most of us have to work, pay bills, and try to eek out a relatively good life. Same as anyone.

i agree they aren't insane, people just don't believe them because it hasn't happened to them personally, i am not an abductee, but i always try and keep an open mind and remind myself that anything is possible.

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the people who tell abductees that they are probably insane on a message board are not, by and large, mental health specialists.

As justgeneric points out, there are tests that can be used to diagnose various forms of mental disorders, and most mental disorders are not what we mean by "insanity".

I read an interesting article recently on how the rise of internet communities around phenomena such as alien abduction and mind control victimization plays havoc with the psych industry's diagnostic criteria in some ways. Because their criteria are based on several things, including whether a belief is coherent with experience, but also whether a belief is coherent with the belief structure of the community.

So to use you as an example, melissamouse, your explanation of what happened (that you were abducted by aliens) is coherent with the facts – missing time, reappearance elsewhere, footprints stopping. Another coherent explanation is that you were abducted by one or more humans and underwent a traumatic experience that caused your memory loss. A third is that you spontaneously went into a dissociative fugue and did something during the time you don't remember under your own power (hitchhiked to the other side of town, say).

Are you insane for thinking you were abducted? I don't think so.

You may or may not be insane for other reasons, but that belief doesn't make you so.

An analogy:

Suppose I have an infection. I go to the doctor and he gives me antibiotics. I go to an acupuncturist and she sticks pins in my ear and sends me home with some herbs. I ask my friend to pray for me to get well. When I get well, the doctor thinks it was the antibiotics, the acupuncturist thinks it was unblocking the flow of chi, my friend thinks it was divine intervention.

None of them are insane for their belief. And I can believe that any one or even all of them are true – or even believe it was something entirely different, like the yogurt I ate for breakfast.
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But I don't think the question of whether abductees are insane is an important one.

Some abductees are traumatized by their experience and would benefit from help from a mental health specialist. That doesn't mean I think they're crazy; just that I think they have had a traumatic experience and that few people in our society are fortunate enough to have the support structure that recovery from such trauma requires.

Some abductees are genuinely "insane" – diagnosably schizophrenic for example – and they certainly need medical and psychological help. But they will have other trouble functioning, either attributed to the abduction experience or separate. But again it's not so important whether the abduction is real; it's their inability to function that should be treated.

Are you really worried about whether people think you're insane? or are you worried because some people don't believe what you believe?