Karen Matthews... Pure evil?, page 1

In the Uk there has been a highly publicised case about a 'hoax' kidnapping. For those who don't know about it...

news.bbc.co.uk...

Today a high ranking police spokesman said Karen Matthews was "pure evil". This woman has done a horrible thing that will effect her daughter forever... it really makes me sick. What I'm trying to decide though is if she really is pure evil.

She (and an accomplice) did it for money, she was motivated to commit the crime to gain large sums from media interest. Money is the back bone of society, a million words could be written about how imprisoning and manipulating money and our society is.

My suggestion is that she is not pure evil, she has been manipulated by the power of money, the need for money, so much so that she has committed a heinous act ergo society is pure evil, money is pure evil. Yes she is a b***h but is she pure evil?

I hope I've expressed my point properly. I think that if she had imprisoned her daughter for fun, for no motivation but to get a kick out of an evil deed then she would be evil. To quote Icke: "You didn't fall, you were pushed."

reply to post by FunSized

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7 kids to 5 different dads, if they all live with here she can claim upwards of £25,000pa. Not judging her on the children scene just making a point on our welfare system.

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Drugs where found in the child's body that dated back over 12 months, to me the peaks of exposure seem to correlate with the holiday seasons. I think this was either to subdue the child and keep her while she was off school or maybe knock her out completely while the "parents" went out to spend their hard earned cash on beer.

There's more info on what a waste of space the mother was on iplayer on a panorama episode (you can watch it here www.bbc.co.uk... )


BTW, this was a completely self indulgent bitch without a care for any of her kids, hard to believe but true.

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I just think that her actions were a product of society but then at the same time you could literally narrow everything down to that conclusion. I resent our imposed society and like blaming it for everything, you should try it, it's a great way to get rid of guilt .

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I agree wholeheartedly. Ultimately, I would like to see total anarchy. It would only take a few years for things to normalize back to a better state than we're in now and it would get progressively better from there. When people have no control and therefore no responsibility, you end up with situations like this.

On the other hand, life is all about lessons - for both the victim and the perpetrator. So be it. So it is.

Think about the lyrics to Lennon's "Imagine". Imagine genuine freedom.

NOTE: Not off topic. Think outside of the box, mates.

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Do you think little Shannon will ever fully recover from being kept drugged, in a box for a year by the people she should have been able to trust?

What they did to her is arguably worse than murder, she has had her childhood and innocence stolen from her, she has no-one she can trust, and she is going to have to live with the horror, disillusionment and heartbreak for the rest of her life.

A mother betraying her child like that is evil.
No two ways about it.

When Shannon first went missing and I saw her picture I commented that this was a frightened kid who was already used to being hit. She has been through hell, and I can only hope she's placed with a good foster family now.

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No, I don't think she's evil. On the grand scale of everything she's an idiotic, selfish, greedy young woman who appreciates money more than her own children.

The Nazi's were pure Evil.

As soon as I saw him saying that I thought "what a plonker!"
It was a tabloid headline induced knee-jerk statement made for sensationalist reasons, no substance to it.

Yes she did a truly despicable thing, but it just makes her a despicable woman.
Unfortunately, there's more like her out there.
When I look at the younger people in our country, I see self-involvement, idiocy and greed on a massive scale (I'm not generalizing here, it exists in older generations too but I don't think it's to the same scale).
Regular intelligent people are few and far between, they've been vastly outnumbered by those who care more about the brands they wear than the world around them.
They don't think, they have nothing of value to add to society, and their only ambition is to get more money/fame/status than their peers.

There will be another case like this in a few years.

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Haven't you read the reports she drugged the child for years to keep them quite while she got drunk as well as starving them, a note to her brother read.

do you think we'll get fed tonight, if we're quiet we might get some crisps, if we're too load we'll get beaten again.

Yes I think she is evil, don't pity her or defend her corner otherwise you're just condoning the abuse and ill treatment of children, it was her choice and her decision to treat her kids lower than animals no one elses


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Do I think she will recover? I believe it depends on who she is surrounded by and how she is dealt with over the next few years. That said it will leave its scars whether or not she learns to cope with it, she will definitely feel the scars forever.

44soulslayer... it really is that simple. I come from a place where from the age of 14 a woman's (young girl's) role is as a baby making factory and a walking advertisement for the ASBO crew.

Originally posted by spitefulgod
reply to post by moonrat

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Haven't you read the reports she drugged the child for years to keep them quite while she got drunk as well as starving them, a note to her brother read.

do you think we'll get fed tonight, if we're quiet we might get some crisps, if we're too load we'll get beaten again.

Yes I think she is evil, don't pity her or defend her corner otherwise you're just condoning the abuse and ill treatment of children, it was her choice and her decision to treat her kids lower than animals no one elses


[edit on 5/12/2008 by spitefulgod]

I understand your reaction here, but no one is defending her actions.

And can I ask what the source was for that quote? If it was the Sun or other such tabloid, take it all with a huge grain of salt.

Was she a bad mother? Yes
Should she have been allowed to treat her children in this way? Absolutely not.
Should her children have been taken into care? Yes.

Is she "Pure Evil"? No.

She was a selfish, irresponsible, abusive mother who cared about herself before anyone else.

No one is down-playing her actions here by refuting the "Evil" comment. But when you consider that this word is pretty much the harshest statement one could issue to describe a person, Hitler was Evil, truly, and she hasn't murdered millions of people.

And about her having 7 kids and being on welfare, I agree that this is unacceptable.

But the only real way to deal with this is at the cause.
People living on state benefit shouldn't be given the opportunity to "opt out" of taking responsibility for themselves and their children.
The fathers should be paying support, the mothers should have long ago been forced into social work in the community.
Single mothers should not be given the option to "not say" who the father is. He is responsible for that child just as the mother is.

Can't find a job? Here, volunteer 40 hours a week in your community, don't do the work don't get the benefit. They'll soon be looking for a real job that pays a real living wage instead. And in the majority of cases they'd find one in a matter of days.
How is it that these people cannot find work, when I can go to any agency and start another job tomorrow?

Teenagers should be given three options when leaving school...
1) Further education.
2) Full Time employment
3) Community service to equal full-time employment while claiming benefits.

That's it. No lounging about claiming benefits and giving nothing back to the community. Perhaps this would also prevent boredom and the inevitable "unwanted pregnancies" that result?

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