Alien Footprints On The Moon? , page 7

reply to post by jra

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jra, you may like to read the reply to mintwithahole which is self explanatory. However, to save you the agony of looking for it, I'm reproducing it:

Originally posted by mikesingh
reply to post by Mintwithahole.

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You are absolutely correct Mint! This could be a slightly modified space suit and of course those footprints are most likely those of the astronauts themselves. But the issue I was looking at for someone to point out was that the particular 'smaller' footprint has a heel imprint that seems smaller than the others. I was looking at the rounded portion/curve of the heel which looks to be much smaller than what it should be.

It may be an optical illusion, but have a look at it again. A 'part' imprint as many have contended, would not have produced a complete curve. It would have been smudged out in part. But this imprint is clear and well defined throughout its curve.

That's the issue I have been looking for, that few seem to have noticed. Needless to say, I may be wrong but it was worth analyzing!

Cheers!

That said, Let’s forget about that astronaut near that rock which would be Shmitt. Here’s his lunar boot tread. No central ridge.


Courtesy: NASA

Now check out this footprint with a central ridge. Two prints overlapping? Most llikely. Probably it is. Case closed!



Now for the bone of contention, what this thread is all about:

As I’ve mentioned, notice the clear impression of the heel that ’seems’ smaller than the heel of the boot on the left. (Now did the bashers here notice I have put the words ‘seems’ in inverted comas? Duh! )



'Smaller' footprint enlarged:





If it was a ‘partial’ footprint, then a part would have been smudged out by the dust. It’s not, as it is clearly defined throughout the curve. And the curve does seem to be smaller than the other print that we can see. I've outlined the heels of both boots in red after extrapolating the size with the boot posted by internos and reproduced here in the photograph above.

But of course, I must be blind. Need to change my lenses, what?

Cheers!


history.nasa.gov...

Originally posted by mikesingh
reply to post by ArMaP

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Notice the gray dot moving from the right to left and back near the horizon?

This grey dot?

Oh yeah, it's pixelation of course - moving pixels! Just one pixel moving whilst the rest are stationary!

No, it's not pixelation, and nobody said it was. If you look at the video you will see that the grey dot is not the only thing that moves, everything moves at the same rate when the zoom is used, as usual.

If you follow the spot and the slight hill in the background in the same direction you can see that both things move at the same speed.



Not only that happens when the image is zoomed out, it moves back at the same speed as the hill when the image is zoomed in again.

So is this also tampered with?

I don't know, I don't see any signs of tampering in the video on the NASA page, and I am not one of those people that say that all NASA images were changed.

Someone said this could not be official NASA footage as it is blurred!!

Really? I did not saw that in any post, who said that?

This IS from the NASA web site, for Chrissake!

YouTube is not a NASA site, and all people that said the video had some added interference (if you look at the videos on the NASA site you will see that the interference was added to join the two videos together to make it look like one continuous shooting and not a re-use of available videos) were talking about the YouTube video, not the one on the NASA site, at least in my interpretation of what they said.

Blurred means NOT from NASA! Pretty corny logic, what?

Nobody said that, re-read the thread or point where is that (or those) post(s) that say it, please.

reply to post by mikesingh

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Please clear this up for me. What is your contention here? That we are looking at a full, yet much smaller boot print that contains the exact same shape, size, and proportion tread as the larger one next to it? ok....and? Where are we going with this, without ignoring the tread for a change.

Originally posted by mikesingh
'Smaller' footprint enlarged:

Why are you using this horrible image? You'd have answered half your questions regarding these footprints if you used decent images to begin with. Everythings so blurred and the .jpg compression is ridiculous. Seriously, use this one.

I've outlined the heels of both boots in red after extrapolating the size with the boot posted by internos and reproduced here in the photograph above.

And how exactly was this accomplished? Your red ouline on the lower boot print doesn't even line up very well. And about 1/3 of the boot print is out of the frame. Too me it looks like you're making it larger than it actually would be, but it's rather impossible to say either way.

reply to post by jra

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OK, so here's the hi-res crop:



Did you notice that there is no caving in or other deformation of the heel imprint? If you possess knowledge of engineering drawing which fortunately or unfortunately I have, then you'll notice that the heel is clearly defined. Now connect this with my post above which you have replied to, then you'll see what I'm getting at.

Thanks and cheers!

reply to post by mikesingh

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Did you notice that there is not another heel imprint in the photo to compare this one with? Your sketch on the other print really doesn't amount to much. It clearly goes "out of bounds".

[edit on 12/6/2008 by Phage]

reply to post by mikesingh

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I took the "full" print and overlayed it on the heel print. The full print is larger. Unreasonably so? I don't think so. Well within the range of normal human feet. Each Apollo EVA suit was custom built for the astronaut that wore it.


[edit on 12/7/2008 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage

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Well put. But unfortunately, it doesn't match at all! Check out the ribs, starting second from left. They don't match at all! So the superimposed footprint is MUCH larger than the smaller one! That's what I've been saying all along!!

Cheers!



[edit on 7-12-2008 by mikesingh]

reply to post by mikesingh

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Shorter boot, same number of ribs. Guess what? They have to be narrower and closer together.

They ain't Adidas.

[edit on 12/7/2008 by Phage]

[edit on 12/7/2008 by Phage]

reply to post by Phage

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The difference in sizes could be up to 3-4. That astronaut must have been a midget, or with feet the size of a small woman's!! Now who's is it? Cernan or Schmitt?

Cheers!

[edit on 7-12-2008 by mikesingh]

reply to post by mikesingh

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Well now you're just guessing. Consider that this is an outer boot. If the inner boot was a size larger it stands to reason that the outer boot would be proportionately larger.

It's a damn Apollo boot print Mike. Get over it.

reply to post by Phage

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OK, if you say so!!

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by mikesingh

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Well now you're just guessing. Consider that this is an outer boot. If the inner boot was a size larger it stands to reason that the outer boot would be proportionately larger.

It's a damn Apollo boot print Mike. Get over it.

Nobody is saying it Isn't an Apollo boot! I think Mike, and I, would just like to know which one of the Apollo astronauts had such ridiculously small feet?

reply to post by Mintwithahole.

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no one had " rediculously small feet " the mechanic by which a boot can leave different footprints in different conditions has been demonstrated - its very easy to understand - hey yu can even reporoduce it yourself - if you go out side

mr singh is attempting to compare partial prints to complete ones - and using photographs taken from different distances as evidence of differences in dimension

in short - utter twaddle

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by Mintwithahole.

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mr singh is attempting to compare partial prints to complete ones - and using photographs taken from different distances as evidence of differences in dimension

Oh darn! Not again! I thought I have already shown and explained that the smaller HEEL print does NOT look like it is partial as the outline of the ENTIRE heel is CLEARLY defined. If it was partial, then only part of the heel would have been clearly defined.

Secondly, the distance between the bigger print and the smaller one is just a couple of feet if not less. Would this distance cause the difference in boot size? I'm sure you've heard of perspective?

Utter twaddle too. While I subscribe to the valid arguments brought out by phage and others, yours seem illogical to say the least!

Cheers!

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