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reply posted on 12-12-2008 @ 09:41 AM by LunaCognita
Just a bit of info regarding the Apollo lunar “overshoe” boot sizes that I think is relevant to the discussion.

The tread mark you are debating was left in the lunar surface by the astronaut’s outer boot, known as the “overshoe”. Now, to clarify, this overshoe is worn overtop of an integral inner boot that is a part of what they called the Torso and Limb Suit Assembly (TLSA).

To simplify, let’s think of the TLSA as the primary “pressure garment” part of the Apollo A7-L and A7-LB spacesuits. Overtop the TLSA is the white part of the spacesuit that you see in all the photos. This white oversuit was known as the ITMG - or Integrated Thermal Micrometeoroid Garment. Put the TLSA and the ITMG together (sorry about the acronyms, but hey, it is NASA!) and you get what they called the PGA - Pressure Garment Assembly - basically the complete spacesuit without the EVA accoutrements added.

Now, when the astronauts were initially measured for their spacesuits, those measurements were used to make the TLSA pressure garment. The inner boots were integrally attached to the TLSA garment, and were custom fit for each astronaut‘s individual foot.

Here is a decent photograph of the TLSA-portion of the Apollo A7-LB pressure suit used during Apollo 15, 16 and 17. This is what the suit looks like when you remove the white ITMG “top layer” of the suit. Notice the integral boots. (sorry, don’t know how to embed)
history.nasa.gov...

Ok, so the astronaut’s feet are fit specifically for the TLSA integral boot. Next, the suit tech’s attach the ITMG outer layer (the white part) to the spacesuit. This outer portion of the suit ALSO features integral boots built into it’s design. Here is a picture of Jack Schmitt’s PGA he wore during the Apollo 17 mission (also the A7-LB model - the suit is at the Smithsonian), and you can see the boot portion is in fact an integral part of the ITMG white outer layer of the suit.
www.hq.nasa.gov...

THEN, when they get to the Moon and are suiting up for the EVA, the astronauts finally pull on their non-integral “lunar overshoes”, which are going overtop both the TLSA and ITMG layers of the spacesuit.
www.hq.nasa.gov...

Now, the “lunar overshoe” was designed to be a loose-fitting boot, with the ITMG layer beneath it being “puffy“ enough to expand and fill up any slight space in the toes of the overshoe once it was pulled over the foot and the suit was pressurized. The overshoes were absolutely NOT designed to fit snugly like a running shoe or hiking boot. Due to the Moon’s low gravity, mobility and traction requirements were easily met without having to provide the astronauts with better “foot feel” by tightening the lunar overshoe (indeed, the astronauts had no complaints about the overshoe-boot system at all).

To my knowledge, all the lunar overshoes worn on the Moon during the Apollo program were a standard 13x6 inches in tread size, one-size-fits-all, simple slip-on system made by ILC Dover. IF someone can come up with anything to suggest otherwise, I would be interested in hearing about it.

Cheers gang!


reply posted on 12-12-2008 @ 11:26 AM by Phage
reply to post by nablator



The shot seems to be very nearly vertical but yes there would be a bit of perspective involved. Perspective would make the full print appear larger (being closer to the camera) than the partial print so could account for the slight difference in size shown on the overlay.

The prints could very well be the same size after all.

[edit on 12/12/2008 by Phage]


reply posted on 12-12-2008 @ 08:26 PM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by mikesingh
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post by angel of lightangelo



Thanks for your very valuable scientific photographic analysis, but it doesn't impress at all!

But oh Master, since you claim to be an authority on the hows and the whys of analyzing footprints, and I'm an idiot (So what's new? ) and don't know the subtle differences between photographic footprints and the real ones, the case can be considered closed! Thank you!

Cheers!





Feel free to produce your credentials and then analysis of the photo. We can all photoshop an arrow on something, what else have you done to make your point?


reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 05:02 PM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
I claimed they were not similar sized,


No you did not.

or at least that's what I meant.


Did I tell you I was a mind reader? If so, sorry. I am not. I can read what you write but not see what you think you should have said to better convey what you meant.

I suppose to you it could literally mean anything you choose it to mean!


Not really. I just went with what the words you used mean in the context you put them in. "they are not similar at all." Sorry, was I supposed to add 'sized' myself? You never mentioned your posts were DIY.

And as for the personal insults and picking you up on your grammar. . . Take another look you moron as it was you who started it. My advice to you - get a life!


Hmmmm. Not sure what that means. Look, you said they were not similar and then backpeddled. You made an etire post on how they are not similar at all. Then you contradicted yourself. I am here to learn new things and if I have to wade through posters that contradict themselves, the least they could do is admit it when it is clearly written down.

Sorry I read your words the way you typed them.

They are actually similar in size as well though so...ya know. Or you can prove they are not, whatever. Anyone that cannot admit that they made a mistake that is such an obvious one, can babble all he likes from now on. I am all done listening there.



reply posted on 15-12-2008 @ 06:23 PM by Mintwithahole.
Originally posted by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
I claimed they were not similar sized,


No you did not.

or at least that's what I meant.


Did I tell you I was a mind reader? If so, sorry. I am not. I can read what you write but not see what you think you should have said to better convey what you meant.

I suppose to you it could literally mean anything you choose it to mean!


Not really. I just went with what the words you used mean in the context you put them in. "they are not similar at all." Sorry, was I supposed to add 'sized' myself? You never mentioned your posts were DIY.

And as for the personal insults and picking you up on your grammar. . . Take another look you moron as it was you who started it. My advice to you - get a life!


Hmmmm. Not sure what that means. Look, you said they were not similar and then backpeddled. You made an etire post on how they are not similar at all. Then you contradicted yourself. I am here to learn new things and if I have to wade through posters that contradict themselves, the least they could do is admit it when it is clearly written down.

Sorry I read your words the way you typed them.

They are actually similar in size as well though so...ya know. Or you can prove they are not, whatever. Anyone that cannot admit that they made a mistake that is such an obvious one, can babble all he likes from now on. I am all done listening there.


"WHAT?" Look, now you're just talking gibberish. You say something about DIY, I never mentioned DIY! The you say you're not a mind reader when I didn't say you were! Then, to finish (your post was a hard read) you say you're here to learn yet you can't see the obvious when it is placed under your nose. You come across as one of those know-it-all's, who would try and educate their teacher at school or would swear that 2+2 is in effect 5!!!
And then, amazingly, you say you can listen to my written prose! That's some talent you have there kid. Good job you're not a mind reader. . . you wouldn't like what I'm thinking now!!!
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