However this does not change the fact that SOME parts of the black community have some major issues with gangs, knife crime, violence etc etc etc.

Originally posted by threelions
However this does not change the fact that SOME parts of the black community have some major issues with gangs, knife crime, violence etc etc etc.

True. We must also bare in mind that their are a lot of white estates in the UK that are also faced with the same issues of gangs, knife crime and violence. (especially up north). It's a problem of the youth of today, I am only 22 years old and even I can see the difference between our present times and when I was a school going teenager, crime IS GETTING WORSE!

This isn't a problem that is isolated in the black community but is rife in areas of high poverty, including white estates in the UK.

I work for a government program called "Sure Start", our job is to go into the estates in the UK that suffer from the worst poverty and our duty was to ensure that children in these areas (mainly 0 - 5 yr olds) and their families had the same opportunities as everyone else in terms of education, recreation, etc.

Thank you for admitting what you said wasn't written in the best way, I don't think you are a bad person and have a lot of respect for your point of view and boldness to say what is on your mind.

I hope to be involved in more discussions with you in the future.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by IceColdPro]

SOME parts of the black community have problems with knife and violent crime?

Show me one large scale concentration of blacks in the UK or US that doesn't. I'm reffering to 'all black' communities which exists almost uniquely in London in the UK and are similarly isolated in the US.

As for your refute of my last post - I don't think you even grasped the basics of what I was saying.

I didn't quote prison populations - I stated early in my post that any reference to these would be with respect to the RATIO of inmates to the overall population.

And where 0.7% of the UK population is of african/Caribbean origin - and 50% (HOME OFFICE STATS - SEE WEBSITE) of all knife, gun, street robbery convictions are to black males - I don't see exactly what your not seeing clearly about my point?

(EDIT: if you take into account things like pub brawls, armed robbery on institutions - then indeed the stats are much lower - so 'violent crime' is perhaps the wrong term to use in general here. The fact is though, these stats haven't changed much over the last 20 years. The increase in KNIFE and GUN CRIME, in the UK IS largely isolated to black communities - FACT.)

It doesn't matter how many Pakistanis or Bangladeshi's there are - THERE ARE FEWER PAKISTANIS AND BANGLADESHIS IN JAIL PER 100 IN THE GENERAL POPULATIONS THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER ETHNIC GROUP. Thus your argument about poverty does not stand - period.

As I said, and as is well documented - poverty IS a major factor in most crime - and almost universally, prisoners in the system have experienced poverty. But this does not explain at all the differences in the ratios of inmates to non-inmates when different races are compared.

It's very easy to calculate the ratios that you would expect if poverty was souly to balme (the ratios would differ inline with the proportion of each ethnic populations rates of poverty) This IS NOT the case. Thus this is NOT the primary cause. It does NOT explain the statistics.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Several hundred years ago in a country far away, some men had their own kingdoms. If the price was right they raided their neighbors kingdom and captured his subjects. They then sold the captured subjects into slavery. The kingdoms staked out their turf by way of landmarks, like rivers, ridges, and anyone not in their kingdom caught trespassing would be speared to death. But they committed crimes on each other and sold each other into slayery and servitude.
They made lots of money doing this.
Today the turf is defined as sections of town and streets and avenues. They "mark" (LIKE a DOG) their turf with different colors. They sell their own people into the slavery of drug addiction and prostitution. They raid each others turf and territority, not with spears and arrows, but with mac-10 and shotguns. They kill for revenge and retaliation, and follow no rule of higher law than the dictates of the street.

Yes because we are animals we don't know what higher rules are. Good point

Originally posted by ProfessorGoldstein

Originally posted by rizla
I think the root cause is poverty.

Tried, tested, and fails every time.

There are many times more poor whites in America than blacks. Their crime rate is not anywhere near as high.

The next tried tested and poor excuse is education, that blacks don't receive good education. Again, simply not true, our schools haven't been segregated for more than 60 years. Blacks children receive the SAME exact education as white children but continuously lag behind.

The simple and scientific answer is all races are not equal. It might not be politically correct, you might say it's "racist" to talk about the truth, but it's the scientific truth after all. For instance black's brains are 30% smaller on average than white's brains. It's just flat out physically impossible for their brains to be larger because the cranial sutures end much more abuptly on their skulls than white's, which does not allow the brain as much room to expand over our years of evolution.

Smaller brain (to size of organism) = less intelligent. Nothing racist about it at all, it's simple elementary-level science that you learn about animals in the classroom.

And simple logic dictactes that less intelligent will = less civilized, and less civilized will = higher "crime".

Of course in the name of political correctness, supposedly our brains and bodies are magical and don't operate the same way as other mammals do! Hehehe.. Yeah right.



Simple scientific solution to this. Simple logics.

Of course it's wrong to talk about this, because it "offends" people.

So the actual solution will never be found, no conclusion why black crime rate is higher will ever be reached, because the answer which is right in front of our eyes is censored as not to offend anyone.



Here's a simple diagram that a scientist made comparing the brain size of a black male to a white male.

The one on top is the white male's brain, the one on the bottom is the black male's brain.

It's just flat out physically impossible for a black male to be as intelligent as a white male, when all other factors are equal. Brain size is just a physical, limiting factor that you cannot deny or argue, and cannot change.

And I'm not even trying to preach white superiority here because I'm Jewish myself, not white and Ashekenazi jew's brains are on average even bigger than white's brains, so are east asians, hence why they are more intelligent than whites.




Intelligence, brain size, and race is the correct answer and no scientist or professional in this field will disagree with me, though they will not openly talk about it either (don't want to lose our jobs).

The simply reason why blacks have the highest crime rate is because they have the smallest brains and lowest amount of collective intelligence. Nothing more. It's the same reason why east asians have the lowest crime rate and highest amount of intelligence of all races.

It does not take a genius to figure out that lower intelligence = higher crime, since crime is after all acts that are uncivilized. Rape, murder, etc, are all barbaric animal-like practices.



Connect the dots.

And don't dare cry racism, it get's old. It's not like I'm lying to you here, go to the morgue and have them split open the skull of a deceased white or asian male and then a deceased black male and then compare brain sizes. The former are much, much larger that you would actually be quite surprised at the difference. ~30% is a large amount.

No bias here, no racism. It's simple science that can be measured and tested.

[edit on 4-12-2008 by ProfessorGoldstein]

This country is unbelievable. You are unbelievable. So you believe in your racist values. White people have superior intellect in your opinion? Unbelievable.

Afraid at know point have I even suggested that 'BLACKS' are more likely to commit crime - If you had read my previous posts in full - you'd know that I even stated - as you did - that crime in most African nations is actually lower than in many European Nations.

My point is not even to do with skin colour at all. I am trying to point out that essentially, those people who are descended directly from enslaved peoples are undoubtedly different in almost every way OTHER than skin colour to those people who are descended form those africans who remained free in continental africa.

Have you ever heard of Eugenics? The way farm animals and horses are selectively bred? If you select people based on certain characteristics, isolate them in a foreign nation where they would 'breed' (to use rather base language) only amongst themselves for the best part of 200 years - you WILL get what is essentially a sub species. I.E. A group where those original characteristics become prevalent and become one of the defining characteristics of the group.]

If you deny that west indian and afro-american men and women are significantly physiologically different to africans they are generally 'heaped' together with - you need to open your eyes my friend. The physical differences alone are blindingly obvious.

I'm sick to death of people like you who scream 'racism' without even understanding an argument that actually demonstrates an unparalleled understanding of race and the history for the african nation within this forum. Probably due to the many years I have spent living there.

Originally posted by DroolsAlot
Look, im not racist at all. But I wanted to ask this question wich is been bugging me for quite some time about African Americans and crime.

First off if you have to say i'm not racist, chances are you are. Statistics show black populations in prison have been steadily decreasing while white populations have been increasing. Violence knows no skin color, it just happens to be that blacks are more likely to be arrested through racial profiling and receive longer sentences. The longer sentences they receive could account for some of your statistics since they are in prison much longer.
Possibles causes include not having enough money for a good lawyer, and judges descretion. Ask anyone who ever had to go through the legal system to compare their case with a similiar case where the defendant could afford higher legal fees and see how their sentences differed. Most public defenders will ask you to take the plea even if you are innocent. They just have too large a caseload to ensure you recieve fair treatment.

That brain diagram is funny. The neanders brain were bigger than both. What is your point. To be quite factual, blacks are physiologically superior.

Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
That brain diagram is funny. The neanders brain were bigger than both. What is your point. To be quite factual, blacks are physiologically superior.

africa's history definitely shows that