you missed the points that covered your post.

1. if the aliens are within "contention" range with humans and they need mass resources that means they would choose asteroids over earth as it is much easier rather than hiding themselves during the process.

the chances of two alien races in such close proximity on the evolutionary scale being within travelling range (don't forget we're talking about a species that needs to "renew" periodically) is ABYSIMALLY small.

it's much more likely that one is FAR more advanced than the other. if likely at at, which it isn't.


2. aliens that are out of "contention" range were not covered by your post and therefore fits by default into my theory. bwahahaha. sorry.

also your statement about there being millions of species at different levels of advancement is you realizing that my argument is right. nuff said.

Originally posted by Mozzy
(off topic - it's you're, this really bothers me)

Are you completely daft? Your typographical errors are right up there with the worst! In fact, your posts are littered with them. Would you like me to post them? There's a wide range to choose from. Talk about being a hypocrite!

Anyhow, keep quoting your narrow minded, badly spelt dartboard science. Completely laughable and naive!

The ATS Moto is "Deny Ignorance" - Not "Deny Your Ignorance". Just one more thing to add to the growing list of things you have completely wrong!

IRM

[edit on 5/12/08 by InfaRedMan]

infared man, let me take the time to call you by name.

please post your theory of alien life for me to see. let's see how it measures up

i'll automatically forgive any grammatical, typographical, or rushed spelling airrors.

you don't even have to start your own thread and defend it against invaders.

first of all.. WE ARE NOT BEING INVADED. this is fantasy. not reality.

secondly, any race of aliens that is beyond harvesting resources in mass (ie asteroids or earth) would be 1 in a million of species that is already PAST space travel. do you really think we're in range of such beings?

it is MUCH MUCH MUCH more likely that any race of aliens capable of interspace travel (that is not bent on global domination) has already surpassed such need of mass resources (ie your spirituality) and has no need to disturb our meager lives.

as for the rest, i'm sorry but those are pieces of what's already been discussed. the losers have dismissed themselves. (yeah i've had a few glasses of wine, sue me)

edit to change: within our range : to interspace travel



[edit on 6-12-2008 by Mozzy]

If aliens exist they are of no consequence to you!

Would you please inform them of this development?

Actually, in a deeper sense though, you are correct. But that reality certainly doesn't stop them from doing what they are doing. It would be great to not have their suppressive technology stopping us from using our natural abilities but somehow I doubt your proclamation will change their minds.

Anyway, I'm sure they appreciate your help in attempting to dissuade belief in their existence. They wouldn't be able to do what they do if people knew what was going on.

Aliens leave behind a large carbon footprint, they must pay a carbon tax and comply with U.N. resolutions or suffer the consequences !

Bomb Bomb Bomb Axis of Evil Green men on Mars !

np, thanks for the reply.

time travel would definately add another side to this. a technology like that would be superior to even sustainable deep space travel i would think.

the purpose of this thread was to investigate some of the more moderate, rational scenarios of alien existence seeing as how ats has plenty of the others. albeit with a catchy title looks like we've covered all the basics.

i would find it hard to believe that time travel is real. obviously that doesn't mean it isn't but how cuold you explain there being more than 1 time machine. just imagine if 5-10 operational timemachines were in existence. it really wouldn't matter if one was from 5 billion years ago. if this scenario is true than the "leading advanced" species would most likely have played leapfrog through time to gain the upperhand and gone back as far as they could to declare who will win.

if not then one race beat the other w/o need of the time machine and then destroyed the other time machine to keep that from happening.

if time travel requires vast amounts of energy, and by vast i mean galactical or greater, it's likely that other races would dectect it much like we detect other galaxies, black holes, or supernovas. in this case a war would ensue after the opposing factions came to the conclusion that this is what was happening.

someone would likely steal the technology and attempt to build another machine or flat out conquer one another. either scenario would lead to the leapfrog idea i think.

if time travel became "portable" and ran off of AAA batteries then i'd imagine the usefulnesses of it is overestimated and it's probably a well regulated common practice among advanced races. something along the lines of: you can see the past and visit it but you cannot touch taste or manipulate it and once you return you leave no trace.

[edit on 6-12-2008 by Mozzy]

Ah, well even with just enough technology for interstellar travel, there's nothing to stop a dying race of aliens from sending out a generational craft to secure a particular world or species. How they did that would depend on their particular strategy. If it's a rather small number of aliens then they would require more subtle tactics.

As far as time, I was specifically referring to the consequence it would have between a race with time manipulation capabilities vs. one without. Like what would occur in a hypothetical situation between humans and a race of aliens. Before going into that though...

I've noticed that people often say that aliens are not here because they haven't invaded overtly. But overt invasion is not always the best strategy. A better strategy would be something like the CIA has employed. Infiltration of a group and then planting a guy that's loyal to you as the leader of that group. Usually some guy that seeks power and is willing to sell out all values for power and money.

Let's say you wanted to take over a company. The strategy that presents the least risk would be to somehow implant your own CEO in that company. The CEO gives orders to the VPs. The VPs give orders to the Directors. The Directors to the Managers. And finally, the Managers tell the workers what to do. If said CEO was subtle with the changes and did it over a length of time, it would be very difficult to detect what was really going on.

Back to the time thing real quick; we can't really rely on hollywood interpretation for extrapolation of scenarios. Also, many more variables would need to be taken into account than you allowed for in your brief. I don't understand the full nature of it all by a long shot. But I have read quite a bit. If I'm interpreting correctly a hypothetical time manipulation field could only be localized. Additionally, if a time machine is destroyed the idea behind the time machine is not. Another could be built. Each scenario has a very large set of variables that would ensure neither side gained the upper hand. That is unless it was used on a race like humans that didn't possess the technology. Then there would be consequence.