The conflict between NAVY traditions and Hazing, page 1
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Topic started on 3-12-2008 @ 06:56 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
I know half a dozen people who have experienced hazing in the military. None of their stories are at all horrific, except one. A NAVY friend of mine experienced some of the worst hazing I’ve ever heard of. Drinking out of toilets, being held under water, beatings, and being forced to act like someone’s dog and slave for a day. These were all fairly recent events too; they were hazed or witnessed hazing between 2002 and 2006. The worst of the hazing occurred on ships during the Davy Jones tradition that happens while a naval ship crosses the equator.

I’m against hazing because I don’t think most people in those positions have the self control it takes to haze harmlessly with out getting carried away. There is a huge difference between picking on the lower ranking guys a little and making them perform task that put pressure on them to build character and brutally demeaning people while causing psychological and physical harm. That kind of hazing can risk death and extreme psychological ramifications.

I’m not startled to hear that hazing seems to be still secretly rampant in the military, it does however concern me to hear stories of brutal hazing like the accounts I mentioned; especially when some of my NAVY friends defend these actions as being part of a tradition. Well that may be so, but the sadistic nature involved in the tradition is inappropriate and completely wrong.

I’m curious how people on ATS feel about this issue. If you’ve served have you experienced hazing? Do you think it is a big deal? Do you think those who remain silent should speak out when they see this type of hazing occurring and report it? Do you think being ostracized for reporting it or refusing to take part in it is worse than hazing?

Good article I found on hazing, goes over some of the personal experiences people have had in the NAVY with hazing, including a fatal occurrence in 1987:
If you think hazing is Ok, think again! This is not OK and is an attitude that needs to change … Hazing in any form, under any circumstance, has no place in our Navy by Ken Testorff
A young Navy airman recruit entered service in 1987, excited about completing the Navy's SAR School that candidates must take to become a rescue swimmer. A few months later, though, in what some described as an illegal hazing incident, the Sailor died when he ran out of strength and air, with instructors allegedly holding him underwater. The other members of his class, meanwhile, were ordered to turn around and place their backs to the pool, then sing the national anthem while standing at attention.



reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 04:03 AM by bg_socalif
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The Crossing the Line Ceremony is pretty tame these days. Mostly due to women being on ships now. Now some ships don't even do any ceremony at all. I went through it in 1985. And participated in many of them until i retired in 2003. Every one of them had non-participants monitoring to ensure nothing got out of control and that there were no safety issues. Does hazing get out of hand sometimes...yes. If it's properly supervised, it's harmless.

Also there is no requirement to participate. Anyone can quit at anytime during the ceremony, all they have to say is "I quit", and they're immediately dropped from the ceremony, right then and there. Over the years i saw some people quit or not participate, it was no big deal really.

Yes, i drank out of a toilet bowl, it had chocolate pudding mix and corn in it to make it look like sewage. I was also the Wog Dog during the ceremony where i urinated (literally) on the XO's leg when i was told to show him proper respect...lol It was alot of fun overall.



reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 12:42 AM by rapinbatsisaltherage
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I was also the Wog Dog during the ceremony where i urinated (literally) on the XO's leg when i was told to show him proper respect

That’s pretty funny. Glad to know it wasn’t a harmful experience for you.
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