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posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 08:39 AM
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Daniken and Hancock are champions of this idea yes, and Hancock is a personal favorite of mine. I am a huge fan of his work. The man has a brilliant mind and has done more research in this field than anyone else that I know of.

Excellent thread Sky. starred and flagged!




posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 08:41 AM
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Reference Guide to the Evidence I've Posted up to now

Page 1:

* Questionable Tactics against Ancient Astronaut Theory
* Signs of Ancient Genetic Engineering
* Reports of Ancient Space Flight
* Reports of Ancient Time Dilitation
* Similarities in Global Mythology
* Mythology turning out to be scientifically verified
* Cargo-Cults

Page 3:

* Odd Skulls
* African Mythology confirming how the Gods "descended from the Sky" to interact with humans
* Exodus 19: "God" appearing with smoke and lightning, on "the wings of an eagle" and wanting people not to see his aircraft
* More Biblical passages indicating the association with flying craft connected to smoke and fire.


Page 4

* Abydos Helicopter
* Winged Discs

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Currently looking for the wheat-evidence brought up by poster bringthelight. If anyone knows more, please help.


[edit on 4-12-2008 by Skyfloating]



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by NavalFC
and as far as the pyramids i posted a debunking of this already in this thread. The egypt aliens has been debunked!

I don't mind a good skeptic but you are blatantly lying here. You haven't debunked Egypt aliens at all. You just stated some opinions from "experts" that claim a bunch of ancient people hauled 2300000 blocks weighing 2.5 tons on average, and transformed them into a structure so immense that it's estimated size is 30 times larger then the Empire State Building. Oh and they did it in 20 years with the use of only basic engineering tools. The poor ancients didn't even have access to things like the wheel... Yet they managed precision only achievable today with laser cutting tools and high powered crains...

So we are hard pressed to recreate the pyramids even with the technology we have today so 4500 years ago this must have been a total walk in the park.


Lets face it the so called "experts" don't have the slightest clue how these world wonders were build.

Since you are always crying for proof why don't you provide us with indifinitive proof that the ancient Egyptians built the Pyramids and how they did it.

I for one am not holding my breath.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
You ask "Why do they appear nowhere else?"

To which I respond: Because they are not Hieroglyphs.


They are hieroglyphs, as shown in a previous post. They are palimpsest, but they are still hieroglyphs.

But you have not answered the question. If these are indeed what you say they are, why do these particular images appear no where else in Egypt?



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 08:52 AM
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This idea of palimpsets does not wash it for me. Consider the fact that you have a length of stone that looks to be a few foot wide. On that stone are approx 5 different images of what could very easily be taken to be various modern looking flying vehicles. Even my 5 year old son can work that one out without prompting.
We are expected to believe that in each of those separate drawings a "mistake" was made that involved separatly going each old engraving with new ones , the result of which creates not one but around FIVE different palimpsets on the one length of stone, EACH of which "just happens" to rather obviously look like a modern flying vehicle ?!

I rather think the palimpset idea is a convenient way for skeptics to dismiss what others take them for, but it really doesn't wash 100%

As for the apparant meaning of these engravings, could someone post a link to what's been said by unbiased scholars in the field, especially insofar as how they are meant to relate to the engravings/glyphs on the stones before and after that one........thanks

Given the Indian texts are littered with vivid and technical descriptions of advanced flying vehicles, it's hardly unlikely the Egyptians knew, saw or heard about them.

As for the image that looks like an alien actually being a "lotus plant".......?! doesn't look like any lotus plant I've ever seen !



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:03 AM
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So how are they not hieroglyphs Sky?

Here is a question, were the panels translated in the 19th century? Yes
or no? If they were how could they have been if they weren't hieroglyphs? Since those poor Egyptologists wouldn't have known what those odd shapes were, why did they translate them as Egyptian, how could they?

Again your ignore the context of the panel, again what does the panel -which is in hieroglyphs, to the left of your panel say? What does the panel to the right, which is in hieroglyphs, say? Do you notice that the flow of the message is..broken, its like something is missing, oh wait if you add in your panel the message makes perfect sense

Why is that Sky?

I look forward to the creative way you will avoid answering these questions. LOL

Oh by the way Sky what is the date of the Abydos panel - what does that date tell you?




Given the Indian texts are littered with vivid and technical descriptions of advanced flying vehicles, it's hardly unlikely the Egyptians knew, saw or heard about them.


What you are referring to is a well known fake translation made in the 1920s


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posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:06 AM
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They havent been noticed elsewhere up to now because elsewhere we have actual hieroglyphs...which these are obviously not.

More to the point: Occams Razor asks of us to use the most simple and obvious, without distortion. When I showed this to my little sister many years ago and asked her what she saw, she said: "A helicopter, a tank, a sub".

Very simple and straightforward, no distortion necessary.

Tell me: What is the statistical likelihood of all these objects being found in one place?



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Hanslune


What you are referring to is a well known fake translation made in the 1920s


[edit on 4/12/08 by Hanslune]


Ive never seen you post outside of the Ancient Civ. Forum. Thanks for visiting me.

The Mahabarata, which Ive read in its entirety, is not actually fake.

Whats next...are you going to say that the bible passages I quoted on page 3 are fake too?



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:10 AM
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Does anyone recall a few years ago, there was a middle eastern professor who said that current readings of Egypt's hieroglyphs are completely wrong and that he had the proper translations?

I tried to find it on google but no luck so far



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by cosmicpixie
As for the image that looks like an alien actually being a "lotus plant".......?! doesn't look like any lotus plant I've ever seen !


That is what it is. Look up other images of lotus from ancient Egyptian art. And even if you do not believe it to be a lotus, when seen clearly, you have to admit that particular image does not look like a grey alien.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:13 AM
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This has all been addressed many times and proves little to skeptics, or the young & unfamiliar. I think this thread is of little benefit, as has been shown on many occassions, sorry. It can possibly serve as a launching board to some, as they are better off studying more direct/complete sources.

Nothing will be resolved with this thread, unfortunately.

Learn the rather necessary methods of inner encountering: the 4th dimension abounds with consciousnesses awaiting to contact the seekers of the unknown. Of course, it is also fraught with peril, but so is all life experience.

Not dissing the thread, just understanding that it isn't accomplishing much. Personal inquiry will do the job. True insight does not attain (usually) in an atmosphere of strong negativity, which is why the americans are so far behind the russians, who reached out against even their own disbeliefs (as necessity ['beat the americans!]).



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:14 AM
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As far as regarding the possibility that these AATs or chosen ones are fallen angels or nephilim Mt Hermon has always been a fascinating topic to me. I believe Mt Hermon is the highest point in Isreal and is nicknamed "Gate of the Gods" or "Gate of the Fallen Angels".






The Book of Enoch says that when the angels "fell" to earth they came down at Mt Hermon.



"And the angels, the sons of the heavens, saw and lusted after them, and said one to another: ‘Behold, we will choose for ourselves wives from among the children of men, and will beget for ourselves children.'"

And they descended on Ardîs, which is the summit of Mount Hermon; and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn on it and bound themselves mutually by a curse" (Enoch 6:1-6).



If you subscribe to the ley lines theory and that certain places of the planet are "thinner" or easier to cross dimensions Mt Hermon has some interesting coordinates:



The book of Joshua connects giants and Mt Hermon:



"And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

"And reigned in mount Hermon, and in Salcah, and in all Bashan, unto the border of the Geshurites and the Maachathites, and half Gilead, the border of Sihon king of Heshbon. "

Them did Moses the servant of the LORD and the children of Israel smite" (Joshua 12:4-6)


And the Mt is covered in Baal temples and altars:



In a book entitled, The Gods of the Lodge, author Reginald C. Haupt, Jr., described what he found during his trip to Mount Hermon:

"In the excavations of Baalbek, renamed Heliopolis by the Greeks, temples were uncovered honoring Baal and Bachus. The same is true of the site at Sidon. The Temple there is named the Temple of Baal of Sidon. But by far, of greater importance was the temple of Baal found on Mt. Hermon. Perhaps it would be more meaningful to you if I [Reginald Haupt] quote direct from my source. In the 1982 edition of the Thompson Chain Reference Bible (Fourth Improved Edition), the archaeological supplement was provided by G. Fredrick Owen, D.D., Ed.D. Dr. Owen wrote on page 376 of his supplement the following:

"Mount Hermon, the ‘chief' of the mountains of Palestine is five miles wide and twenty miles long. It has three peaks, the tallest of which is 9,166 feet above the Mediterranean Sea. For centuries before Abraham's time, the mountain had been venerated in connection with Baal.

"Baal worship was the leading religion of Canaan. On most of the high peaks of the country were shrines known as ‘high places,' the higher the holier. Here groves were planted and shrines erected for worship. Since Mount Hermon towered above all the other mountains in the region, it was the chief high place, the shrine of shrines. Canaanites looked to Mount Hermon much as the Moslems face Mecca when they pray. "During the summer of 1934, Dr. Stewart Crawford and this writer [Reginald Haupt] led a small expedition, in which we studied the ancient Baal shrines surrounding Mount Hermon.

We located many ruins and in each case the shrine was so oriented that when the priests and the devotees were at the altar, they faced the chief Baal sanctuary, or Quibla, located on the highest of the three peaks of Hermon. "We then ascended the mountain and found the ruined temple of Baal, constructed of Herodian masonry, which dated it to just previous to and during the early Christian era. In a low place near the northwest corner of the temple, we excavated and found loads of ash and burnt bone, which had been dumped there as a refuse from sacrifices" (Reginald C. Haupt, Jr., The Gods of the Lodge, p. 126).


Source

Anyhow I love this thread! This topic is always interesting.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:21 AM
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So Sky

You are trying your own kind of deflection - back to Abydos - nice try but
I'll stick to Abydos- more fun don't you think?

Here is a full picture of the part of Abydos that Sky really, really doesn't want anyone to see or know about - it shows a bit more of the inscriptions -and shows very very clearly that they are part of a hieroglyphic commentary

Remember folks you're only suppose to see the part of the panels that Sky wants you to see - never never are you suppose to get the context of the panel. Sky is a great advocate of adversial vs actual truth.



What does it say Sky? Oh that's right you say it cannot be read yet it is? So why do the translations all stand up - I mean you can go on line to a dictionary and look them up yourself.....

What is the date of this inscription? I mean Sky you DO know that don't you?

Oh Sky thanks for the welcome. I'm overseas and don't have my regular links and had to go manually to ATS. I thought this thread was one from our regular Lost and forgotten Civilizations forum.....new horizons!

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posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:23 AM
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A beautiful post. Im always excited to learn new things about the theory I havent read before.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:31 AM
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Ok I found the info on the middle-eastern translation's of the hieroglyphs

Introduction to New and True Hieroglyphs Part 1
Introduction to New and True Hieroglyphs Part 2
Hieroglyphic Roots Part 1
Hieroglyphic Roots Part 2


It explains, in brief, elements of Alsaadawi's theory of true Hieroglyphs, which are summarized as:

  • Egyptian language has not changed "orally" a bit since far pre dynastic times, that is, since more than 7000 years ago. Current Egyptians speak orally "exactly" the same as their Ancient Egyptian Grand's did.
  • Egyptian Names, Rituals, Customs, Celebrations and Aphorisms have not changed orally "a bit" for more than 7000 years and up to "Now"!
  • There are many fundamental mistakes made by Champollion when decoding Hieroglyphs, and which have been rectified in this theory.
  • Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphic language is not an alphabetic language as it is internationally known, but it is a kind of shorthand language based on compound phonetic roots, designed according to firm rules.
  • Motorizing letters, which are discovered by the author and plays a great role in decoding Hieroglyphs.
  • Phonetic corrections of wrongly sounded glyphs.
  • Conception correction of numerous of glyphs, which were wrongly translated.
  • Introduction of true translations of many glyphs that were not translated before.
  • Introducing symbols, to the first time, as an independent whole words or Hieroglyphic "expressions".

Source

Living close to Egypt they of course had knowledge of hieroglyph's way before any European had seen them. Not only that but they have records going back thousands of years, which allow real translations to be made.

Interesting stuff indeed.



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posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:35 AM
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Wonderful posts...on the AAT...the evidence is incredibly overwhelming....when man lets go of his toxic arrogant ego that's when we will truly enter the cosmological family of man.
 


MicahVita



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:38 AM
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Yes, it was translated by some Egyptologist as...


Ms. Katherine Griffis-Greenberg, from the University of Alabama at Birmingham (USA) has provided the following information: “In the photos, we clearly see "Who repulses the Nine Bows,"



Hilarious. Thats sure going to make me change my position on them



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:38 AM
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can anyone show me evidence of the transition from non-flowering plants to flowering plants?? there seems to be no fossil record of transition. this is very interesting to me.



posted on Dec, 4 2008 @ 09:40 AM
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Very interesting. Its not far-fetched to assume that the people who actually lived in the area know more than those who came later. Time for me to read up.





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