A little about my HS
As said in the first Experience post, I met my Teacher and saw myself as my HS for the first time when I was five, in a very vivid and clear
manner.
All of my growth as a person ever since, has been in relation to how much of my HS I have been able to access, to “download” my HS INTO myself in
a sense.
The most important “gift” about my experience, aside form the obvious content, was that I never felt the need to debate myself over its
truthfulness or validity. It WAS, and this saved me a lot of grief and time, since I wasted no efforts trying to decide if this Being that spoke to
me was real or not, and trying to understand if this “Higher” CC that I could switch into was valid or not.
I knew things, sensed things, and was told about things that a child, or later, a person in my age and position was in no way able to know or see, and
that to me where just BY-PRODUCTS of my continuous relations with these two “sources”.
As my HS, I simply felt as a more mature ME, of a DEFINITE personality and semblance, and as far as I have always been able to attest, is ME and WAY
more.
As HS, I know and UNDERSTAND what happens to me both physically and mentally, what I feel and WHY I feel it, and in many instances, HOW to relate to
others and my environment, in a way that can be fruitful, truthful, and healthy for all.
The perspective usually feels as seeing things from on HIGH, as in an aerial view, and the comment is informed, collected, yet in keeping with many
characteristics of my personality as I HAVE COME to know it, almost as a self-fulfilling proposition.
The sense of humor is intact, and, in fact, developed to a level that allows me to see with a light and optimistic touch everything I approach in my
physical AND mental lives.
Of course, I have not always listened intently to what is said, but that has just been CC following on my Liberty, and I am supposed to be able to
screw up every now and then, knowing full well that there are really “no mistakes”, because ALL POSSIBILITIES WILL BE EXPLORED, and in some cases
I inevitably think, “it might as well be me...”.
My HS has served as a bridge in many ways, connecting the otherwise more “limited” CC with knowledge and possibilities that be long to the HS and
not, such as the “other” lives around the Table.
It has given me poise ans solace in very trying junctures of my life, in essence presenting me with Myself as the eternal I that I am, so in
situations literally of life and death which I have faced, I was simply staring at my HS straight in MY eyes.
This is part of the Nature of ANY human being, and you can make it a part of your CONSCIOUS self and being, provided that you first BELIEVE it can be
done, and then find out HOW (never to be taken for granted...).
As an example, I mentioned before that I had been training and developing my instrumental technique at some point by connecting with a “future
self” who had gotten “there”. This was and is done through HS, thanks to the fact that access to these possibilities are part of the NATURE of
the HS.
Someone said that THAT example could very well be extra- or ordinary imagination, so I have a couple of things to say about that here.
My level of “comfort” and technical mastery rose and has since then experienced an incredible surge, “mysteriously” for others, thanks to
that approach and those communications. I have not mentioned yet that, also through my Teacher, I have accessed “musical” technique, and that has
provided an ulterior push in proficiency and level of artistry with my chosen instrument.
There are private, very definite reasons on why that information was and is being made available to me, but this is a possibility that can be accessed
by anybody, again provided that there are belief, motivation, and METHOD involved.
Of course, since I will not reveal my identity, this particular example cannot be “verified” by anybody on these forums, but I can volunteer a
second option:
My first language is not English, yet through my HS (and this I did thanks to “His” suggestion) I accessed another personality who was born as an
American with higher formal education, and thanks to this I was able to take my English language skills to a level of comfort in communication both
written and spoken, as I desired, where resolution would be of the best degree with the means available.
In this manner, I speak and write a couple of other languages, all as my English, also without an accent.
If this is just imagination, then I MUST have a very active and FRUITFUL one, which, at the very least, could then be studied for allowing me to,
among a number of OTHER things not mentioned, to continue to make a living through music AND to know and be proficient in many areas that would be
otherwise accessible through too many more years of study and hard work (to which I have submitted willingly and not...).
I have a thirsty-for knowledge personality, but that is just in function of certain “tasks” I have sought to fulfill respectfully and to the best
of my abilities.
I HAVE worked very hard for my education, as I have stated a few times, and yet the results have been magnified and accelerated thanks to these and
other possibilities which a broader and more intimate contact with your Inner Self can offer.
Some Experiences in my Consciouness III- A bit about my HS and my Teacher, page 1
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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 07:05 PM by citizenc
reply to post by seentoomuch
Thanks STM...
Indeed, that is the case, and I hope that, if it wasn't clear before, it is now: DEFINITELY NOT a part of myself, just in the way you say, avoiding the usual caveats, the "we're all connected" kind.
In fact, my Teacher as well as the others I have met, seem VERY out of this 3D experience, as a matter of design, to help LURE us into these other realms of conscience.
Been doing great, thank you for asking.
You know, I can now share something with you, with no fear at all: I am not arrogant at all, but the self-assured manner in which I usually come across here, is a part of something else, and has its logic. In fact, a lot of times, confidence and tact do no always go together, and since I have no "face" investment here, I went for the format that was "downloaded", almost without question.
Having had to post these experiences has been an exercise in detachment, in the sense that I had to put myself aside a little (o a lot) and "deliver" what has been asked.
In "real" life, I am actually considered a funny guy, light-hearted and easy going, but a lot of that, again, comes from a sense of "security" that most people detect, but cannot explain to themselves very easily, so the usual misconceptions sometimes replace a relaxed character evaluation.
This has to do with some really twisted "social skills" that have pushed onto people since an early age, when detecting a "different" person is taught to be followed by diffidence, suspicion and ostracism.
This would be another theme, though...
As soon as this "threads issue" is over, you will definitely see a more relaxed CC.
Of course it did! And it still does... and with this I am not saying that JC Himself is my teacher. I AM saying that the point of his reaction was one of humor, surprise, and genuine appreciation for my lack of "reverence" to form, as opposed to substance.
I think about it too, sometimes, and often wonder about his "true" form, yet not directly, and the answer is always the same: would it matter?
I answer myself no, and so I never ask...
And about the humor in exchanges and in lessons... if you could see me in any given day, you would detect a few times a day me laughing at "nothing" and it is just them making fun of me or a smart-ass return from yours truly... we communicate in seriousness of content, but humor seems to be one of MY, my HS's and my Teacher's connective wire, and I enjoy that sided of my life quite very much.
Never have they gone easy on me, quite the contrary... someone said once that I seem to have had a very nice life. From my standpoint, YES.
But the "price" to pay would have turned away far too many customers, and this is not an understatement.
My wife just accepts all the harshness of some of the things I go through, and not because she could believe or not in any of this, but because she sees me leap into the voids with the attitude of the cat that KNOWS that eventually, we land on our feet. That's two for me.
As I said many times, helping even just a someone, is already a gift enough for some time typing, and being in danger of making newer, meaningful friendships would definitely be a welcome offshoot. So these things always make at least some sense.
Thanks STM...
I hope I understand you correctly in that you consider The Teacher not a part of your HS, but from God which I totally agree with. I know, I know, I've heard it so many times "we are all a part of God", but this is different, this is direct from the source, not ourselves, sort've as if there are a few that are special aka Jesus or the Holy Spirit, or an angel that's job is to aid us. This is very difficult to explain.
Indeed, that is the case, and I hope that, if it wasn't clear before, it is now: DEFINITELY NOT a part of myself, just in the way you say, avoiding the usual caveats, the "we're all connected" kind.
In fact, my Teacher as well as the others I have met, seem VERY out of this 3D experience, as a matter of design, to help LURE us into these other realms of conscience.
And how did you do on the tests? On your earlier threads I detected a bit of arrogance? Lol, those tests are tough!
Been doing great, thank you for asking.
You know, I can now share something with you, with no fear at all: I am not arrogant at all, but the self-assured manner in which I usually come across here, is a part of something else, and has its logic. In fact, a lot of times, confidence and tact do no always go together, and since I have no "face" investment here, I went for the format that was "downloaded", almost without question.
Having had to post these experiences has been an exercise in detachment, in the sense that I had to put myself aside a little (o a lot) and "deliver" what has been asked.
In "real" life, I am actually considered a funny guy, light-hearted and easy going, but a lot of that, again, comes from a sense of "security" that most people detect, but cannot explain to themselves very easily, so the usual misconceptions sometimes replace a relaxed character evaluation.
This has to do with some really twisted "social skills" that have pushed onto people since an early age, when detecting a "different" person is taught to be followed by diffidence, suspicion and ostracism.
This would be another theme, though...
As soon as this "threads issue" is over, you will definitely see a more relaxed CC.
Note: Did it occur to you that perhaps the guise the teacher took on was his true form? You gotta admit that he is overwhelming in person and the formless one would be easier to take. And that when you requested no form, he did so to be easier on you?
Of course it did! And it still does... and with this I am not saying that JC Himself is my teacher. I AM saying that the point of his reaction was one of humor, surprise, and genuine appreciation for my lack of "reverence" to form, as opposed to substance.
I think about it too, sometimes, and often wonder about his "true" form, yet not directly, and the answer is always the same: would it matter?
I answer myself no, and so I never ask...
And about the humor in exchanges and in lessons... if you could see me in any given day, you would detect a few times a day me laughing at "nothing" and it is just them making fun of me or a smart-ass return from yours truly... we communicate in seriousness of content, but humor seems to be one of MY, my HS's and my Teacher's connective wire, and I enjoy that sided of my life quite very much.
Never have they gone easy on me, quite the contrary... someone said once that I seem to have had a very nice life. From my standpoint, YES.
But the "price" to pay would have turned away far too many customers, and this is not an understatement.
My wife just accepts all the harshness of some of the things I go through, and not because she could believe or not in any of this, but because she sees me leap into the voids with the attitude of the cat that KNOWS that eventually, we land on our feet. That's two for me.
As I said many times, helping even just a someone, is already a gift enough for some time typing, and being in danger of making newer, meaningful friendships would definitely be a welcome offshoot. So these things always make at least some sense.
reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 08:44 PM by Cogito, Ergo Sum
reply to post by seentoomuch
Seentoomuch, I would just like to ask you a couple of things. Not from a point of view as of one opinion is right and another wrong, in a more open friendlier way than that I hope. I wonder what you think God is, as opposed to what people here call their higher self, or what any connection between them is?
To me it seems the books written on peoples experiences with these things could fill a vast library, there is so much conflicting information to confuse, and some will even think they can know by reading about it or their experience should be similar to be meaningful. This does happen, perhaps not to you, but to some. Even worse, people can be told what they want to hear and become complacent. Do you think any of it has made a huge difference to any of us in any fundamental way, or to the world in general. Is anyone really better for it in any practical way? Again I am not trying to get to any “right” or “wrong”. Your opinion will be as valid as anyone’s, if you would like to share it that is.
This is just a personal perspective, but is true for myself, from my experience. Things might not always come the way we think, that is, I can see that some could give “themselves” far too much credit in some ways. There is a relationship we can develop with something else that is beyond our normal senses and perceptions of what we think we are, perhaps something higher that we are or could be more a part of. You may already be well aware of this. To me this is where genuine “mystical” experiences come from. There is a definite reason for them, individually tailored to us, our circumstances and our ability to comprehend. That this relationship should be sought and strengthened might seem obvious. Speaking about certain things that have been given to us directly might not be the best way to develop this relationship, it is more something personal and intimate within each of us. Would you share the details of your relationship with a lover this way? To me this is just as important, and it also seems that people who give too readily this way don’t really value what they have. It can also pander to something within us that might not be helpful, instead of what might be intended. You seem to in some ways already have good intuition in this area, which is part of the reason I write this. If you believe what I have written previously could not be backed up directly in a reasonable and to the point way that still takes this into consideration, this might not be true. It is not my thread though. It is possible to occasionally find the practical that isn’t steeped in self or pride in any way, something that I find pertains to real intelligence as opposed to just IQ etc. I admire citicenc’s efforts so far in some ways because of certain restraint and the fact of being told not what I want to hear. I have the obvious inkling of why the experiences so far have been given but empty vessels can make a lot of noise in certain ways, perhaps in my post itself, so at the moment I will keep listening further. Personally I have little interest in his experience beyond what he has given, maybe even less than what is given. Just a personal perspective, which to anyone else always has the possibility of being just plain wrong. I am interested in your thoughts though.
Edit:Sorry to the one I originally named as posting this too if they read it. I was doing other things on the computer and went completely from memory to write this, and got the name confused this way. Again, apologies.
To cc, I realize my promise to be quiet is now broken. Though in my own way I was assuring you that I wouldn't write to directly contradict for the moment, so as not to break your momentum. Either way, apologies.
[edit on 3-12-2008 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]
Seentoomuch, I would just like to ask you a couple of things. Not from a point of view as of one opinion is right and another wrong, in a more open friendlier way than that I hope. I wonder what you think God is, as opposed to what people here call their higher self, or what any connection between them is?
To me it seems the books written on peoples experiences with these things could fill a vast library, there is so much conflicting information to confuse, and some will even think they can know by reading about it or their experience should be similar to be meaningful. This does happen, perhaps not to you, but to some. Even worse, people can be told what they want to hear and become complacent. Do you think any of it has made a huge difference to any of us in any fundamental way, or to the world in general. Is anyone really better for it in any practical way? Again I am not trying to get to any “right” or “wrong”. Your opinion will be as valid as anyone’s, if you would like to share it that is.
This is just a personal perspective, but is true for myself, from my experience. Things might not always come the way we think, that is, I can see that some could give “themselves” far too much credit in some ways. There is a relationship we can develop with something else that is beyond our normal senses and perceptions of what we think we are, perhaps something higher that we are or could be more a part of. You may already be well aware of this. To me this is where genuine “mystical” experiences come from. There is a definite reason for them, individually tailored to us, our circumstances and our ability to comprehend. That this relationship should be sought and strengthened might seem obvious. Speaking about certain things that have been given to us directly might not be the best way to develop this relationship, it is more something personal and intimate within each of us. Would you share the details of your relationship with a lover this way? To me this is just as important, and it also seems that people who give too readily this way don’t really value what they have. It can also pander to something within us that might not be helpful, instead of what might be intended. You seem to in some ways already have good intuition in this area, which is part of the reason I write this. If you believe what I have written previously could not be backed up directly in a reasonable and to the point way that still takes this into consideration, this might not be true. It is not my thread though. It is possible to occasionally find the practical that isn’t steeped in self or pride in any way, something that I find pertains to real intelligence as opposed to just IQ etc. I admire citicenc’s efforts so far in some ways because of certain restraint and the fact of being told not what I want to hear. I have the obvious inkling of why the experiences so far have been given but empty vessels can make a lot of noise in certain ways, perhaps in my post itself, so at the moment I will keep listening further. Personally I have little interest in his experience beyond what he has given, maybe even less than what is given. Just a personal perspective, which to anyone else always has the possibility of being just plain wrong. I am interested in your thoughts though.
Edit:Sorry to the one I originally named as posting this too if they read it. I was doing other things on the computer and went completely from memory to write this, and got the name confused this way. Again, apologies.
To cc, I realize my promise to be quiet is now broken. Though in my own way I was assuring you that I wouldn't write to directly contradict for the moment, so as not to break your momentum. Either way, apologies.
[edit on 3-12-2008 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]
reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 10:41 AM by citizenc
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum
While STM replies, I would like to jump in for a couple of lines...
First, please no need for apologies or silence, if not, what are we doing here at ATS?
I am sure that we all welcome formed and intelligent approaches (even IQish...), especially when dealing with the "unexplained" phenomena.
It seems to me that in your posts, there is a reticence of a type that is not quite clear yet, and perhaps you could be more specific, for the sakes of the information that, as it seems, you want to "defend" yourself in some ways.
Precisely because there is so much information, it was thought that it would be a good idea to share some experiences, so that those who were READY and available, could benefit from reinforcing some concepts.
I would beseech you to confront me and whoever more directly with this, because it would be of immense help to add depth and newer intellectual dimensions to the information I have been sharing, albeit limited as it is.
As for the "meaningful", there are many things that could be said, but I'll stick to one point.
As you yourself state, there is an ongoing conversation taking place in the Universe, one where we could ALL participate in a much more conscious and direct manner.
The reason why this does not happen on a wider scale as of yet, is PARTLY due to the developmental "stage" of Humanity, but also because of ARTIFICIAL boundaries and limits that have been placed there for us, and this is the grounds where some of us have been "fighting" for a while now.
In fact, THERE IS a lot of misinformation going on, but rather than concentrating on that corollary issue, we could emphasize more that, IF there is misinformation, it is because there IS actual, valuable information available. This is where discerning, guidance, and EXPERIENCE take their true meaning, and it is THERE that one should seek and try to find.
My words, as limited as they may seem, have some "hidden" extra meanings, that work inn unison with some much more grander and more powerful efforts put into place to help in the coming transition times, for they ARE coming.
This is why I said in the last thread that your comment at one point was contradictory, where you praise some of the results, but remain ambiguous and critical of the method. Let's discuss it. I am all for it, or else I would not be here.
And here of course I could not disagree more strongly, as would many psychologists that make a living out people's needs to express and confront their meaningful, private ideas with someone else.
Of course, that is not my case, but let us use your analogy:
I would not go around spewing my intimate moments with my wife, but when asked about LOVE, what better way to share and illustrate than speaking about a certain moment in OUR experience?
Like when we met? Or that day we thought "this might be the one"?
What could be more inspiring?
This would NOT be "revealing" or any way betraying the intimate and personal that belongs to us exclusively, but on the contrary, it is a way to SING about Love, to praise Love and the wonderful things it can BE in our lives.
And, when speaking about Love with those who AT THE MOMENT are not "in love", or do not "believe" in such a feeling or that kind of heart-mind connection between two people, what else could you say that COULD be abridge for understanding and truer human intimacy?
What can be said about Love that is useful, if not about how it LIVES in MY life?
Or, would you rather read a Shakespeare sonnet to one who asked you what Love is?
Instead, direct personal experience IS OF THE ESSENCE here, because I could not care less if if am taken as a lunatic or a saint, but if one or two people can find "Love" through the words I have typed here, to name just one example, then we will all be more than happy, and Love will have found two more hearts along the way.
The things I have shared are very difficult, don't think I don't know this.
I struggle daily with a critical mind that REQUIRES logic and soundness in everything it touches, and yet, the Universe and the Beings I have met are undeniably weaved into my direct experience, and as such I have had to deal with and discover more of my TRUE Self.
The Love that follows as a result of my stubborn search into my very depths, is the "Love" I share here, and just maybe, we can all, myself included, benefit from such a session.
Like the lover who rekindles the fire in his own heart, while remembering and speaking about "that time when..."
While STM replies, I would like to jump in for a couple of lines...
First, please no need for apologies or silence, if not, what are we doing here at ATS?
I am sure that we all welcome formed and intelligent approaches (even IQish...), especially when dealing with the "unexplained" phenomena.
It seems to me that in your posts, there is a reticence of a type that is not quite clear yet, and perhaps you could be more specific, for the sakes of the information that, as it seems, you want to "defend" yourself in some ways.
To me it seems the books written on peoples experiences with these things could fill a vast library, there is so much conflicting information to confuse, and some will even think they can know by reading about it or their experience should be similar to be meaningful. This does happen, perhaps not to you, but to some. Even worse, people can be told what they want to hear and become complacent. Do you think any of it has made a huge difference to any of us in any fundamental way, or to the world in general
Precisely because there is so much information, it was thought that it would be a good idea to share some experiences, so that those who were READY and available, could benefit from reinforcing some concepts.
I would beseech you to confront me and whoever more directly with this, because it would be of immense help to add depth and newer intellectual dimensions to the information I have been sharing, albeit limited as it is.
As for the "meaningful", there are many things that could be said, but I'll stick to one point.
As you yourself state, there is an ongoing conversation taking place in the Universe, one where we could ALL participate in a much more conscious and direct manner.
The reason why this does not happen on a wider scale as of yet, is PARTLY due to the developmental "stage" of Humanity, but also because of ARTIFICIAL boundaries and limits that have been placed there for us, and this is the grounds where some of us have been "fighting" for a while now.
In fact, THERE IS a lot of misinformation going on, but rather than concentrating on that corollary issue, we could emphasize more that, IF there is misinformation, it is because there IS actual, valuable information available. This is where discerning, guidance, and EXPERIENCE take their true meaning, and it is THERE that one should seek and try to find.
My words, as limited as they may seem, have some "hidden" extra meanings, that work inn unison with some much more grander and more powerful efforts put into place to help in the coming transition times, for they ARE coming.
This is why I said in the last thread that your comment at one point was contradictory, where you praise some of the results, but remain ambiguous and critical of the method. Let's discuss it. I am all for it, or else I would not be here.
Speaking about certain things that have been given to us directly might not be the best way to develop this relationship, it is more something personal and intimate within each of us. Would you share the details of your relationship with a lover this way? To me this is just as important, and it also seems that people who give too readily this way don’t really value what they have. It can also pander to something within us that might not be helpful, instead of what might be intended.
And here of course I could not disagree more strongly, as would many psychologists that make a living out people's needs to express and confront their meaningful, private ideas with someone else.
Of course, that is not my case, but let us use your analogy:
I would not go around spewing my intimate moments with my wife, but when asked about LOVE, what better way to share and illustrate than speaking about a certain moment in OUR experience?
Like when we met? Or that day we thought "this might be the one"?
What could be more inspiring?
This would NOT be "revealing" or any way betraying the intimate and personal that belongs to us exclusively, but on the contrary, it is a way to SING about Love, to praise Love and the wonderful things it can BE in our lives.
And, when speaking about Love with those who AT THE MOMENT are not "in love", or do not "believe" in such a feeling or that kind of heart-mind connection between two people, what else could you say that COULD be abridge for understanding and truer human intimacy?
What can be said about Love that is useful, if not about how it LIVES in MY life?
Or, would you rather read a Shakespeare sonnet to one who asked you what Love is?
Instead, direct personal experience IS OF THE ESSENCE here, because I could not care less if if am taken as a lunatic or a saint, but if one or two people can find "Love" through the words I have typed here, to name just one example, then we will all be more than happy, and Love will have found two more hearts along the way.
The things I have shared are very difficult, don't think I don't know this.
I struggle daily with a critical mind that REQUIRES logic and soundness in everything it touches, and yet, the Universe and the Beings I have met are undeniably weaved into my direct experience, and as such I have had to deal with and discover more of my TRUE Self.
The Love that follows as a result of my stubborn search into my very depths, is the "Love" I share here, and just maybe, we can all, myself included, benefit from such a session.
Like the lover who rekindles the fire in his own heart, while remembering and speaking about "that time when..."
reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 04:45 PM by citizenc
reply to post by Harman
Thank you for your continued presence.
Yes, a lot of times it is because the Teachers choose that particular guise to make people feel more "comfortable", and to add weight and meaning to the experience.
I cannot presume to know about everybody's form of visions or epiphanies, but from what I understand a good number of "apparitions" can be explained in this manner.
In no way does it mean any less, or does the experience have less impact.
It is just that, in keeping with the order of things, it is usually our Teachers that are there at our "rescue", and taking chances to give us glimpses into our real Nature, with messages of the deep, the Divine; simply showing us the truly important side of each and all of us.
The use by the religious "community" will wain as time and more meaningful experiences are had by more people, just because the content and the information of the messages are more and more resembling the deep truths that have been less obvious so far, but eventually will have their day.
Sooner than later.
[edit on 4-12-2008 by citizenc]
Originally posted by Harman
Nice one, again. Thanks citizenc.
On little 'brainfart' comes up in regard with your HS appearing as Jesus. Personally i believe that it is the reason that there are people in every religion who have 'visions' or 'epiphanies' where the predominant holy figure is seen and felt by the religious person itself.
Thank you for your continued presence.
Yes, a lot of times it is because the Teachers choose that particular guise to make people feel more "comfortable", and to add weight and meaning to the experience.
I cannot presume to know about everybody's form of visions or epiphanies, but from what I understand a good number of "apparitions" can be explained in this manner.
In no way does it mean any less, or does the experience have less impact.
It is just that, in keeping with the order of things, it is usually our Teachers that are there at our "rescue", and taking chances to give us glimpses into our real Nature, with messages of the deep, the Divine; simply showing us the truly important side of each and all of us.
The use by the religious "community" will wain as time and more meaningful experiences are had by more people, just because the content and the information of the messages are more and more resembling the deep truths that have been less obvious so far, but eventually will have their day.
Sooner than later.
[edit on 4-12-2008 by citizenc]
reply posted on 4-12-2008 @ 07:59 PM by unknown known
reply to post by seentoomuch
Sorry I havent read the entire post yet tho it was what I was looking forward to as Ive read your first two installments.
I just wanted to respond to seentoomuch because I don't know what she is talking about. What about your cellphone battery being dead? why dont you charge it?
and whats the place that is of aid to 1 mil people?
thanks, im gonna read the thread soon.
Also for the OP, is your teacher similar to that of SETH?
Sorry I havent read the entire post yet tho it was what I was looking forward to as Ive read your first two installments.
I just wanted to respond to seentoomuch because I don't know what she is talking about. What about your cellphone battery being dead? why dont you charge it?
and whats the place that is of aid to 1 mil people?
thanks, im gonna read the thread soon.
Also for the OP, is your teacher similar to that of SETH?
reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 06:15 AM by citizenc
reply to post by obsidience
Thank you for the acknowledgment and the kind words, and although they are not necessary, a touch of good old human warmth is always welcome.
Remember that it is YOU and ME we talk about, and although it may not always be apparent, You and your deeper aspects work in unison and harmony. Bringing out can help, and this is what we are all called to do, sooner than later.
As for the Drambuie, try it in a snifter, lighting the drink for a few seconds while tilting the glass and rotating it... comes out very good, and a good show just for kicks...
As for your questions, let me get to them right away:
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It's a very funny thing, but for along time I FELT as I was, in the sense that I felt like I had some "unfair" advantages.
This concept is now for me quite ridiculous, because it stemmed from one of the Great Lies that are being perpetuated by the cultural status quo, which states that we HAVE to strive to be better than others.
Whether we admit to it or not, there is a sense of "competition" that drives, to a degree, most people in everything they do. In fact, one of my favorite things to do is "pinch" people who, in conversation, declare themselves to be: politically correct, non-racist, solidary at all costs, etc. By pushing a few, obvious buttons, we can bring out and have people express this secret "sins of conscience", and bring out some of this "drive" for out-pacing others and being to show our Uniqueness IN RELATION TO others.
The purpose of unmasking this is so that we can all admit to our shortcomings, and then part to growing from a more sincerely-acknowledged internal basis. Also, we can begin to realize, with a truer self-appraisal at hand, the vast and sometimes damaging consequences of some prevailing cultural norms.
Only by looking at this "side" of us clearly, can we begin to address the problems, and then move forward TOGETHER.
Now, I embrace FULLY my Self as I have come to know it SO FAR, and drive myself to BE always more in touch with my WHOLE Self, and therefore, because it is the trademark of ALL Understanding, entering in a more meaningful communion with ALL people and the Universe itself.
You begin to realize the true nature of separation, how it is simply another illusion to be discarded.
Nothing would make me happier than having everyone BE more their HS, and to begin connecting with the deeper parts of their own selves. This is why I share, as many others, to serve as a bridge to those minds that want to.
2- Connecting with a part of yourself? Boring?
This is usually hard to explain, because people in general are trained, again, by the prevailing norms and MENTAL customs, into compartmentalizing everything.
The discernible "differences" of perception between your HS and You are simply psychological.
The Grand Scheme of things, and how Humanity is INVITED to evolve, both collectively and individually, has to do with a growing from the "out" to the "IN", from the external appearances to the internal certainties. This is a process designed to add IMMENSELY to the Understanding of the WHOLE Self, and even with our present limited capacities, embarking in a simple intllectual process of appraisal and theoretical consideration of it, we can imagine some of its import and impact.
This concept has required a "sense" of evolution (another concept that needs serious revising), but in general it applies to our continuous growth, as we approach and appropriate OTHER working and legitimate "parts" of ourselves, to become more whole Beings both here in 3D and beyond.
There is no "combating" our growth, for the exception of the so-called norms as the one I stated above, where we have to fight our "Reason" and the cultural establishment, for impressions that are more apparent and intuitively certain than we care to admit.
For example, this is a case that most Buddhist monks do not consider, for their cultural norms prepare them otherwise.
The efforts being made to bring some of the deeper aspects of reality into "our" Western world, are uniquely ours. Let's not be so ethnocentric as to think that this is necessarily a world problem. Each culture is ALSO dealing in different ways on how to bring out these characteristics of our Self from within us and outwards, because there is a impetus under way, and it is slowly but surely becoming.
Although there is still a way to go, eventually this will all be broken-in in a very strong and powerful manner, because we MUST grow. It is our nature.
3- Universes.
We are in a Universe where we WILL experience this and MUCH MORE.
One of the other "taught" limitations that do not apply as true is that of TIME.
Time is just one of our concordant perceptions in 3D, to help us with this particular type of psychological arrangement of experience, and other reasons.
Time in itself is just a convention, and as such it should be approached.
I say this because once in touch with some deeper areas of yourself, you get to realize that everything has its reason for being, every part of the Self is doing its "job" very well, and that this "new" Humanity that we can become, is just ANOTHER part of our whole Soul experience.
Our particular "task" in this day and age, is a bit ingrate, in that we can ALMOST feel what is coming, and that maybe we will SEE some of what is in store in our "future", but the more powerful, permanent and concrete repercusions of this "growth spurt", will only be manifest "later", when OTHER parts of us will be at work.
It is the nature of things, and inasmuch as we welcome and cherish our role in this beautiful road towards Being, the more "helpful" we will be to our Soul and others, and the more we will be able to enjoy this and any particularity of what is in store for us.
CONTINUES
Thank you for the acknowledgment and the kind words, and although they are not necessary, a touch of good old human warmth is always welcome.
Remember that it is YOU and ME we talk about, and although it may not always be apparent, You and your deeper aspects work in unison and harmony. Bringing out can help, and this is what we are all called to do, sooner than later.
As for the Drambuie, try it in a snifter, lighting the drink for a few seconds while tilting the glass and rotating it... comes out very good, and a good show just for kicks...
As for your questions, let me get to them right away:
1-
First, do you feel that being in contact with your HS is cheating? My belief is that we are disconnected from HS for a reason. This is a handicap put in place to better experience and value what we are living through. We are already a piece of HS learning what we can learn of this universe, this time, this place.
It's a very funny thing, but for along time I FELT as I was, in the sense that I felt like I had some "unfair" advantages.
This concept is now for me quite ridiculous, because it stemmed from one of the Great Lies that are being perpetuated by the cultural status quo, which states that we HAVE to strive to be better than others.
Whether we admit to it or not, there is a sense of "competition" that drives, to a degree, most people in everything they do. In fact, one of my favorite things to do is "pinch" people who, in conversation, declare themselves to be: politically correct, non-racist, solidary at all costs, etc. By pushing a few, obvious buttons, we can bring out and have people express this secret "sins of conscience", and bring out some of this "drive" for out-pacing others and being to show our Uniqueness IN RELATION TO others.
The purpose of unmasking this is so that we can all admit to our shortcomings, and then part to growing from a more sincerely-acknowledged internal basis. Also, we can begin to realize, with a truer self-appraisal at hand, the vast and sometimes damaging consequences of some prevailing cultural norms.
Only by looking at this "side" of us clearly, can we begin to address the problems, and then move forward TOGETHER.
Now, I embrace FULLY my Self as I have come to know it SO FAR, and drive myself to BE always more in touch with my WHOLE Self, and therefore, because it is the trademark of ALL Understanding, entering in a more meaningful communion with ALL people and the Universe itself.
You begin to realize the true nature of separation, how it is simply another illusion to be discarded.
Nothing would make me happier than having everyone BE more their HS, and to begin connecting with the deeper parts of their own selves. This is why I share, as many others, to serve as a bridge to those minds that want to.
2- Connecting with a part of yourself? Boring?
This is usually hard to explain, because people in general are trained, again, by the prevailing norms and MENTAL customs, into compartmentalizing everything.
The discernible "differences" of perception between your HS and You are simply psychological.
The Grand Scheme of things, and how Humanity is INVITED to evolve, both collectively and individually, has to do with a growing from the "out" to the "IN", from the external appearances to the internal certainties. This is a process designed to add IMMENSELY to the Understanding of the WHOLE Self, and even with our present limited capacities, embarking in a simple intllectual process of appraisal and theoretical consideration of it, we can imagine some of its import and impact.
This concept has required a "sense" of evolution (another concept that needs serious revising), but in general it applies to our continuous growth, as we approach and appropriate OTHER working and legitimate "parts" of ourselves, to become more whole Beings both here in 3D and beyond.
There is no "combating" our growth, for the exception of the so-called norms as the one I stated above, where we have to fight our "Reason" and the cultural establishment, for impressions that are more apparent and intuitively certain than we care to admit.
For example, this is a case that most Buddhist monks do not consider, for their cultural norms prepare them otherwise.
The efforts being made to bring some of the deeper aspects of reality into "our" Western world, are uniquely ours. Let's not be so ethnocentric as to think that this is necessarily a world problem. Each culture is ALSO dealing in different ways on how to bring out these characteristics of our Self from within us and outwards, because there is a impetus under way, and it is slowly but surely becoming.
Although there is still a way to go, eventually this will all be broken-in in a very strong and powerful manner, because we MUST grow. It is our nature.
3- Universes.
We are in a Universe where we WILL experience this and MUCH MORE.
One of the other "taught" limitations that do not apply as true is that of TIME.
Time is just one of our concordant perceptions in 3D, to help us with this particular type of psychological arrangement of experience, and other reasons.
Time in itself is just a convention, and as such it should be approached.
I say this because once in touch with some deeper areas of yourself, you get to realize that everything has its reason for being, every part of the Self is doing its "job" very well, and that this "new" Humanity that we can become, is just ANOTHER part of our whole Soul experience.
Our particular "task" in this day and age, is a bit ingrate, in that we can ALMOST feel what is coming, and that maybe we will SEE some of what is in store in our "future", but the more powerful, permanent and concrete repercusions of this "growth spurt", will only be manifest "later", when OTHER parts of us will be at work.
It is the nature of things, and inasmuch as we welcome and cherish our role in this beautiful road towards Being, the more "helpful" we will be to our Soul and others, and the more we will be able to enjoy this and any particularity of what is in store for us.
CONTINUES
reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 06:16 AM by citizenc
reply to post by obsidience
CONTINUES
About the last question on the "seeing a white light", it depends...
It could be nothing, it could be really something.
This is where discerning what your inner compass tells you about your experience, along side with the knowledge you might have becomes "your job".
For example, it could range from a physical manifestation of something or another, to a momentary "disconnection" of our "material" 3D sense mechanisms, in which case it CAN be a welcome way to begin to try and detach more consciously, and see where it can get you. With the limited info you provide, this is as far as I would take it.
Thank you for your excellent questions, and hope to hear more form you.
CONTINUES
About the last question on the "seeing a white light", it depends...
It could be nothing, it could be really something.
This is where discerning what your inner compass tells you about your experience, along side with the knowledge you might have becomes "your job".
For example, it could range from a physical manifestation of something or another, to a momentary "disconnection" of our "material" 3D sense mechanisms, in which case it CAN be a welcome way to begin to try and detach more consciously, and see where it can get you. With the limited info you provide, this is as far as I would take it.
Thank you for your excellent questions, and hope to hear more form you.
reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 12:55 PM by citizenc
reply to post by unknown known
Thanks for the question...
And NOW about Seth....
I will try to be brief:
My Teacher FEELS very much like Seth, to the point where, when I first started reading what I read of his, I said to myself: "they're related!"
Before I continue, let me say about Seth:
I first read "The Nature of Personal Reality" a few years ago, thanks to friend who "introduced" me to it.
I liked it so much, and "recognized" so much in the personality of Seth as incredibly familiar and close to me in some way, that I decided to get a book of his, so I bought "Seth Speaks", and that is the one I have today.
Everything I know of Seth comes out of this book, and in turn, the later "searches" I performed to get "in touch" with him more directly.
Just as my Teacher, they are both very approachable, extremely friendly and, of course, knowledgeable beyond our capabilities to understand about OUR own predicaments.
I truly feel that most Teachers operate in a very caring manner, in spite of the possible character virtues or flaws and slants that we MIGHT project on them, as is always the case when translating "other-side" phenomena, and there is a very definite vocation of friendliness, deep interest, and sense of helpfulness that runs across the Teacher boards.
In addition, the perceived severity of the "lessons" that can accompany a more conscious relationship with your Teacher, has more to do with concepts of inadequacy, faux sense of danger (perpetuated by religious and cultural distortions), and our simple laziness, that seems to be a very usual human character flaw.
As I had said once before, I recommend to whoever feels called to do so, to read some of the Jane Roberts/Seth Material. You will be deeply grateful you did.
As for me, I am usually content with the present sense of "open channels" I get, and as far as I can tell, no question goes unanswered.
Thanks for the question...
And NOW about Seth....
I will try to be brief:
My Teacher FEELS very much like Seth, to the point where, when I first started reading what I read of his, I said to myself: "they're related!"
Before I continue, let me say about Seth:
I first read "The Nature of Personal Reality" a few years ago, thanks to friend who "introduced" me to it.
I liked it so much, and "recognized" so much in the personality of Seth as incredibly familiar and close to me in some way, that I decided to get a book of his, so I bought "Seth Speaks", and that is the one I have today.
Everything I know of Seth comes out of this book, and in turn, the later "searches" I performed to get "in touch" with him more directly.
Just as my Teacher, they are both very approachable, extremely friendly and, of course, knowledgeable beyond our capabilities to understand about OUR own predicaments.
I truly feel that most Teachers operate in a very caring manner, in spite of the possible character virtues or flaws and slants that we MIGHT project on them, as is always the case when translating "other-side" phenomena, and there is a very definite vocation of friendliness, deep interest, and sense of helpfulness that runs across the Teacher boards.
In addition, the perceived severity of the "lessons" that can accompany a more conscious relationship with your Teacher, has more to do with concepts of inadequacy, faux sense of danger (perpetuated by religious and cultural distortions), and our simple laziness, that seems to be a very usual human character flaw.
As I had said once before, I recommend to whoever feels called to do so, to read some of the Jane Roberts/Seth Material. You will be deeply grateful you did.
As for me, I am usually content with the present sense of "open channels" I get, and as far as I can tell, no question goes unanswered.
reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 01:33 PM by citizenc
reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum
I though your post was very beautiful and poetic, although (of course!) I will have to disagree with a couple of subtle points:
As far as I have been able to read, I have had some people express their appreciation for my sharing and honesty, as well as for the effort to do this in a helpful spirit. (Give it a try, and you will see it is nearly not so simple...).
If other people ask for my OPINION, I will gladly give it to the best of my knowledge and abilities.
Although you present no alternative, really, I cannot react as a detached "figure it out for yourself" moniker, without at least trying...
You know why? Even if you do, I'll tell you:
Because I have been SO extremely "lucky" throughout my life to having been helped and supported so much more than anyone may think he might deserve, because the guidance I have searched and yearned for has ALWAYS come, and because I have had to develop the actual HUMILITY necessary to ask questions, opinions, and guidance from others.
In the same way, when asked to publish some of my personal experiences that could serve to explain or even "verify" some of the perceived depth of my knowledge, I had to GIVE. I WANTED to give something good, something from myself.
Human solidarity and the incredible sacrifices and altruism that we find in so many inspiring fellow travelers, are not only what makes us shine brighter as a race, but also a DESIGNED CHARACTERISTIC that denotes spiritual growth, compromise of out-dated ideas of self and egoism, and the advent of newer ideas and ways in which we can aboard life as a brethren.
I could not imagine giving less than what I could of genuine help the way I perceive it, just as others, people and "not", have done unto me and others.
"Love is not love
which alters when it alteration finds
or bends with the remover to remove.
Oh no, it is an ever-fixed mark
that looks on tempests and is never shaken
it is the star to every wandering bark,
whose worth's unknown although its height be taken..."
These words would have very little meaning for some, would be a "cute" verse for others, and, as for myself, would demonstrate one of the grandest heights of the Human race as he explains the unexplainable, and makes our hearts race as he paints the invisible-yet-Divine spark within we call Love.
Words of a certain kind can be useful and touching for some, and thank goodness that many, many inspired people throughout history have had the calling to share with us the vicissitudes and personal images of what it meant to THEM to be Human.
We are meant to accompany ourselves through the maze, first as blind men, but then not so much so, until gradually we will ALL be able to see more clearly... and then a new maze will follow, and so forth...
In my own little way, I am doing the same. So, vive la difference!
P.S. The quote, as I remember it, is the first part Shakespeare's sonnet 116.
Recommended reading for anyone interested in ways to explain the unexplainable...
[edit on 5-12-2008 by citizenc]
I though your post was very beautiful and poetic, although (of course!) I will have to disagree with a couple of subtle points:
You already have genuine seekers wondering if you can interpret their experiences for them. I am waiting to see how you do this because I know this isn't really possible, apart from very basic guidance, but it is possible to help rob them in some ways of the opportunity to know in themselves.
I have seen nothing yet that will help people to discover real love in their everyday existence or how to encourage its growth. I have only seen a personal story. Perhaps I have missed something.
As far as I have been able to read, I have had some people express their appreciation for my sharing and honesty, as well as for the effort to do this in a helpful spirit. (Give it a try, and you will see it is nearly not so simple...).
If other people ask for my OPINION, I will gladly give it to the best of my knowledge and abilities.
Although you present no alternative, really, I cannot react as a detached "figure it out for yourself" moniker, without at least trying...
You know why? Even if you do, I'll tell you:
Because I have been SO extremely "lucky" throughout my life to having been helped and supported so much more than anyone may think he might deserve, because the guidance I have searched and yearned for has ALWAYS come, and because I have had to develop the actual HUMILITY necessary to ask questions, opinions, and guidance from others.
In the same way, when asked to publish some of my personal experiences that could serve to explain or even "verify" some of the perceived depth of my knowledge, I had to GIVE. I WANTED to give something good, something from myself.
Human solidarity and the incredible sacrifices and altruism that we find in so many inspiring fellow travelers, are not only what makes us shine brighter as a race, but also a DESIGNED CHARACTERISTIC that denotes spiritual growth, compromise of out-dated ideas of self and egoism, and the advent of newer ideas and ways in which we can aboard life as a brethren.
I could not imagine giving less than what I could of genuine help the way I perceive it, just as others, people and "not", have done unto me and others.
"Love is not love
which alters when it alteration finds
or bends with the remover to remove.
Oh no, it is an ever-fixed mark
that looks on tempests and is never shaken
it is the star to every wandering bark,
whose worth's unknown although its height be taken..."
These words would have very little meaning for some, would be a "cute" verse for others, and, as for myself, would demonstrate one of the grandest heights of the Human race as he explains the unexplainable, and makes our hearts race as he paints the invisible-yet-Divine spark within we call Love.
Words of a certain kind can be useful and touching for some, and thank goodness that many, many inspired people throughout history have had the calling to share with us the vicissitudes and personal images of what it meant to THEM to be Human.
We are meant to accompany ourselves through the maze, first as blind men, but then not so much so, until gradually we will ALL be able to see more clearly... and then a new maze will follow, and so forth...
In my own little way, I am doing the same. So, vive la difference!
P.S. The quote, as I remember it, is the first part Shakespeare's sonnet 116.
Recommended reading for anyone interested in ways to explain the unexplainable...
[edit on 5-12-2008 by citizenc]
reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 04:27 PM by citizenc
reply to post by mystiq
I just read you two posts, and I am very happy that we can "reconnect" thanks to continued communications.
As for the advice on what to do, I can recommend chakra mediation.
It's the first thing that came to mind when you were telling about your son's "escapade".
Approached the right way, it can give you some insights into the inner workings of some of our energies, and although I am not an expert, I can say that it gave me very good results in some areas where protection was needed, and an extra boost required.
If you want, we can U2U and share more info and approaches.
CC
I just read you two posts, and I am very happy that we can "reconnect" thanks to continued communications.
As for the advice on what to do, I can recommend chakra mediation.
It's the first thing that came to mind when you were telling about your son's "escapade".
Approached the right way, it can give you some insights into the inner workings of some of our energies, and although I am not an expert, I can say that it gave me very good results in some areas where protection was needed, and an extra boost required.
If you want, we can U2U and share more info and approaches.
CC
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