Originally posted by RichardPrice

Originally posted by deltaboy
If the F15 and MiG35 were in close dogfight, the F15 could lose cause it would be outmaneuvered by new MiG because of the thrust vector.
[edit on 3-12-2008 by deltaboy]

The better pilot will always win, no matter what he is flying - even up against the top of the range Mig-35, a well trained USAF pilot in a circa 1985 era F-15 will be more than a match.

Originally posted by 121200
I highly doubt that because 1 Russian pilots are very well trained even scince 91, and a 1985 F-15 would be the early modle F-15C which would be tracked and engaged before it could do any real type of manovering, to avaid be shot down, in your zeal describing the mythical U.S. great trained piloting doctrine over the Russkies, you used a very bad example, putting the first F-15c model up against a MiG-35

[edit on 5-12-2008 by 121200]

Originally posted by waynos
The F-15E was not the super Eagle, it was developed as a straight strike development of the F-15D trainer in competition with the F-16E (based on the F-16XL) and the 'Grumman' Tornado as a straight replacement for the F-111.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
The F-15 is already G limited during ACM. If you overstress the airframe, even in a real combat situation, you can lose the airframe. They're getting old, and retrofitting them with TVC would kill more airframes. They'd have to inspect them to find out which could handle it, and which couldn't. Buying new airframes with all the upgrades would cost a ton more money and would take away from other programs.

Originally posted by deltaboy
The only way to get more F22s is to ditch the old F15 fleet for cost savings and divert the funds to maintain the old fleet to buy the Raptors. After all the politicians would be in a quagmire where the U.S. has only about 200 fighters and nothing else.