Originally posted by FredT
This sounds alot like severance pay to me. Based on our contract if I get laid off the Hospital will have to pay me 7 months of my salary .

The jobs bank sound alot like this to me.

lil' different situation here...

you go off to new job...

they go back to work...usually same plant within a month...

nothing wrong with the bank...

they just need to reduce the cap on length...


look up 'GEN' in the contract...general employment numbers

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Originally posted by whoshotJR

Examples:

You hand me a blank card and ask to sign my name because we are doing a raffle at work later. Then I find out that card was used in a card check,

Ok, WHY would you sign ANY blank piece of paper? Raffles aren't run that way. That would just be stupid. And card checks have very specific rules that they must follow. The intent and purpose of the card check has to be plainly stated on the card or it cannot be counted. Please try not to simply make things up that supposedly support your position.

9 billion to pay suppliers
3 billion for other supply expendatures
900 million for employee wages
900 million for health care and benefits
900 million for operational costs

this is how the money will be allocated at chryslers. it seems to me that the unions are not the issue, and the sheep are still listening to the big government in turning its citizens against each other. but yea you can all still blame the unions. do not get me wrong, there are still some people who abuse the unions as in any job enviroment, but they do not last long in the uaw.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by dooperNo bailout. Let GM, and Ford go under, the UAW is out of the picture, and someone with some damned business sense can come in and start over. And keep the UAW out!

Excellent! Throw out the last of your manufacturing sector, and you can all work at Walmart and spend your off-hours shopping there, too. That'll keep the milage low on your KIA.

Nah, Toyota and Nissan will still produce cars in America and employ American workers.

Just, they have better business models that prevent the kind of losses seen by the Big 3.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Nah, Toyota and Nissan will still produce cars in America and employ American workers.

Just, they have better business models that prevent the kind of losses seen by the Big 3.

Let's just hope that their business models include a wage that
allows their workers to buy their product.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Nah, Toyota and Nissan will still produce cars in America and employ American workers.

Just, they have better business models that prevent the kind of losses seen by the Big 3.

Let's just hope that their business models include a wage that
allows their workers to buy their product.

Well...i drive a Tahoe, and we also have an Avalanche. My wife and i both average around 14 an hour (give or take). Doesn't seem to be that hard, as the Tahoe and the Avalanche are neither considered "cheap" in the price category.

Imo, this is complete B.S waste of money! I know of a few G.M employees that were laid off that were placed in this "job bank" that still went to work everyday except that they did no work, only stayed in the employee lounge playing playstation and chit chating with other job bank recipients. This just goes to show you another example of of the influence that unions have on the american industries.... complete waste of money! if you look at the overall hourly wage of an entry level auto worker it's like 40.00 dollars an hour...sigh, just to what put like 4 screws in a door frame for 8 hours a day, come on any schmo moron could do that it just happens that the avrage person would have no chance at employment at an auto plant unless they knew someone on the inside or were relater to a foreman or something..lame! I hope they (the auto makers) as well as the employees had lot's of fun with all of that wasted money

I just find it very strange that the UAW staffed American auto manufacturers can't make it, and the Japanese car makers, including Toyota, Nissan, and so on can build plants here in the US and seem to make a profit.

Let's see. It isn't the horse, it isn't the saddle - oh - it must be the jockeys. In this case the UAW who's had it all their way now for decades.

GM and Ford operations abroad are quite successful. Just close the American operations down, get shut of the UAW, and later, if they think they need to, they can always expand in the US, away from their old UAW dominated haunts.

Come to the south or southwest, build your plants here, and you'll get good labor at good prices, which are reflected in the costs of producing a car. Those cost savings are in turn passed on to consumers, who can make a competitive product. Concentrate more on quality and less on imbedded worker costs.

You know what's a real bitch? I know a guy who owns a successful company, and if GM were to give him either an old EV or their "Skateboard" chassis, he could have either one of them running from coast to coast without any fuel or stopping to recharge. But he won't even talk about his technology until GM or Ford get the union leeches off their backs. He absolutely refuses. He says even if they had this technology, the UAW would still bleed these companies dry, and the quality would suffer, and he wants no part of it.

Well, you UAW folks got your people in office. You have both the Senate and the House. You have the President.

But you don't have the American people, and the House, the Senate, and yes, even the President elect knows that starting in two years, many are up for reelection. And since it looks as though the UAW won't be around in two years - well, no use cutting your own throat for another who's already cut their own throats.

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