The coming depression, ETs & 2012

In case anyone didn't notice, we're heading for something worse than a depression the writing is on the wall. With the failure of 1 or all of the US auto makers we'll be sent into an economic black hole..the powers that be (who control the knowledge of recovered Extraterrestrial Technology and probably more) will have played their cards finally. This long drawn out plan which started decades earlier-9/11 being the trigger to set off the tinder box/spiral and eventual downfall of the western world will be playing right into their hands for total control over the population, our 'fear' levels and manipulation of our 'reality'.
Whatever the end game will be it looks like its directly heading for 2012 things are converging, the Iranian nuclear crisis, the recently released report of the prospects of a WMD attack on a major US pop center (they are basically calling it out now/inviting it) funny how they quoted a timeline BY 2013...dont believe me watch it for yourself:
www.yahoo.com...

All this along with increasing UFO activity, increase exposure and disclosure (which would be against the 'game plan' of those who would control us-the people with the knowledge, MJ12 committe, illuminati-take your pick) things have to happen pretty soon or their window of oppertunity will be closed.

The spectrum of ET contact will be controlled by these events, as will our lives in the coming horrors..maybe only the Aliens CAN save us???

Thanks for noticing that without our automakers we are going to be hurting, people don't realize just how many jobs that will be gone if they fall. I am the first generation in my family that hasn't worked for GM or Ford. Not to mention we are going to lose the few American made cars there are (even though the big three has veered from making them solely in America). It would be something else we would have to rely on from foreign countries. I don't know about you, but previously high oil prices and lead poisoning are enough to get me not wanting foreign goods.

Hey maybe it's the terrorists that have been murdering the worlds leading microbiologists... hmmm...no I don't think so.
You can bet your ass we are going to get hit with a biological weapon, but I think it's far more likely that this will come from inside the country not outside.

reply to post by Durkin

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Those few American made cars today are comprised of 95 percent of parts made overseas. JFYI.


Glad I still got my 72 charger and 86 camaro. Both are true through and through 100 percent American made vehicles.

And the big 3 are not going to completely fail. They have been saved before and will be saved again. Chrystler was bailed out in the early 80's if anyone can remember that.

Do not worry. As long as there are taxpayers footing the bill, government will bail out any major corporation and keep em going.

The wheel goes round and round. Getting dizzy yet???



Cheers!!!!

reply to post by atsbeliever

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Ok AT believer this is ridiculous. you give a bleak scenario..and what a coincendene you say its for 2012! Just ike every other person with a diaster scenario on here, do you realize how many things people have slated for 2012? its ridiculous and you have no proof for it, you jst arbitrarily through tht date out there without citing any proof (maybe because there is none)
your post is nothing but illegitmate claims with no proof and then throwing the 2012 cherrry on top, mixed with some NWO'ish type paranoia and its all crap.

For a start the governments VERY OWN REPORT states by 2013 -meaning up until Dec 31st 2012 we will be hit by something very bad. Im betting it will occur in 2012. Not just that, but a lot of events are converging towards that year being something very important to our culture and world as we know it. If you want to discount the Mayan's who were centuries before you even where born, then you must be some great prophet to know for sure..I dont see any evidence to the contrary from you or anyone else. But look at the mess we're in..look at whats happening around the world..very soon its all gonna come crashing down and OH-coincidentally its happening right around the end of a very accurate mayan calender..what are the odds eh?!?!!

PEOPLE IM AS DREAMY AS YOU CAN ********* GET.

Please stop this inane Bullpoo of 2012 doomsday PLEASE! for the love of the sweet divine. It's about the ending of the mayan calander. Moving of our small galaxy within the Milky way. It's a time period that has been studied for millenias by the Mayan's. I'm not incredibly knoweledgable on what and why they seem to mark 2012 for this special cycle change within the cosmos. But it's not ARMAGEDDEN. Why are so many American's espeically still talking shiit.

People seriously its disgustng the amount of nonsense and ignorance inrelation to 2012.

There is no asteroid impact
There is no comet impact
There is no armagedden
There is no magnetic shapeshifting poles
There is no world scale earth quakes.
There is no blowing up osama bin ladens.


Will you all get real ffs.

We'll be standing in 'bread lines' probably within a few years, and by the time Aliens arrive there wont be much left to pick up. Except for the elites

The big 3 won't fail because the military needs them in case of war. We can't afford to be invaded and not have a production line ready--though we could snap up some of the Honda and Toyota plants I suppose.

I don't think the Mayans were predicting solely for the USA. It seems like every 10 years something "big" does happen to the US so I don't think a 2013 prediction is that shocking.

ETs...they run the show, when they're ready I'm sure they'll let us know. I don't think a depression will excite them since it didn't in the 30's. Nuclear War certainly might--but I would not count on them saving the day.

One nuke used in a war will scare the beejesus out of this planet--markets would crash. The rich would want an end to it, either by force or negotiations. A biological agent is what scares me.

reply to post by atsbeliever

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Alien's are coming in 2012.

If they are coming, where are they coming from. A worm hole 6.30pm 21st of December 2012 on the dot. Where are they landing.


Since my perception of "ET" is they never left us, they are just not in the physical dimension we are in right now. E.T don't just decide to come on a date.

To be honest your insulting the Extra terrestial's with your garbage.

Alternative industries such as HEMP would provide employment for every man woman and child in the nation, but only if implemented.

reply to post by mind is the universe

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As you say, it is just the end of the Mayan Calendar.
But, I believe this date will have great significance.... WHY?

1) More than just the Mayans have talked about 2012. Check out the Sumerians and their 2012 account. And fyi, Sumeria is where many of the earlier stories of the bible originate. And, its a completely separate civilization from the Mayan one. Coincidence?
The Hopi Indians also talk about the end of days. And just before this, the world will be connected by a spider web. This spider web that connects the world, yells to me of the Internet, which connects us all instantly.

2) Lets look at the Mayan calendar itself. It is comprised of several rings. The 2012 date is the ending of the third outer ring. We don't understand what this outer ring is for... yet.
The Second ring is the gestation of life. It is the maturation of a fetus into a human being. So, i believe that the third is possibly maturation of a species.

Are we sure of what this third ring is? No. But, I hardly doubt that it is a completely arbitrary point in time.
Many 2012 theories point towards psychic abilities and awakening of consciousness. However, I am still skeptical.

But, I feel as if we have changes to come in addition to the massive changes that we have already been experiencing. But, read my signature!

reply to post by atsbeliever

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ATSbeliever, nonsense. First off the report said a WMD attack somewhere in the world not necessarily in the US, and that has nothing to do ith 2012; The Mayan calendar was very accurate... FOR TELLING TIME!!!! Not for predicting the future! The Mayan calendar was never meant to be prophetic in nature with respects to 2012, but you seem to forget this.

You really believe that a group of people who couldnt even avert their own downfall is all of a sudden predicting the end for the rest of us?NONSENSE.



And instead ofbeing specific your trowing any disaster you can think of into the 2012 pie, which is also ridiculous.

Oh by the way you mention MJ-12 as those who control us.
Funny, I am skeptical of the whole MJ-12 bit, but aong thos who support it they allege MJ-12 is a tp secret government UFO research group, not a group out fr world domination..how ever there is one place where Mj12 is presented like you say and that is the video game Deus Ex.

been playing?


no end times prophecy will happen in 2012. 2012 will come and go just like any other year and you and the other 2012 proponents will be left with egg on your faces.

I have been waiting for sooooo long for someone to state the obvious, and this smart man above me finally did......I'm gonna have to caps lock this bad boy.......

WE CANNOT TRUST ARMAGEDDON PREDICTIONS FROM A CIVILIZATION THAT NO LONGER EXISTS. THIS IS COMMON SENSE. IF ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE WERE SMART AND PROPHETIC ENOUGH TO PREDICT THE APOCALYPSE THEN THEY CERTAINLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PREDICT THEIR DOWNFALL.

HERE IS THE BASIC RULE REGARDING A CIVILIZATIONS CREDIBILITY:

Civilizations that still exist = Depending on the civilization a varying range from 1% to 100%

Civilizations that are exist = 0% credibility, none at all. They are not alive, that's all the proof you need that they didn't figure anything out.

Even if you point out the fact that other civilizations pointed out 2012, all those civilizations are extinct as well.

The Mayans (and others) are primitive, sun and star people, who paid too much attention to the only "deity" they had. The seasons might change a little in 2012, to a civilization still living in the Bronze Age while the rest of the world was celebrating the Age of Enlightenment, the seasons changing a bit might ruin their entire batch of crops, meaning they'd all die, since they are not civilized enough, meaning it would be their apocalypse.

The main point I'm trying to make: Don't trust extinct civilizations. It's just common sense.

reply to post by atsbeliever

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Their is only the light and the darkness. There is unity in the light, but their is only confusion in the darkness. Many believe they are in the light, but that belief is just a lie created because they are blinded by the darkness.

There is NO unity in "Them and Us" thinking. There is only another one trying to push other people's buttons so that they can distableize the working system.

You all first need work on yourselfs until you can realize satan is your own brother.

We must Prepare to face the coming storm that will be 2012 . THEY ARE COMING and we must be ready .

Turn on all television channels and internets , there is warnings everywhere, it is obvious to all except the skeptics/disinfo agents who are posting here from facilities like GROOM LAKE

We must be ready , please heed my call and read the Mingloucho Chronicles

They have the knowledge, knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Don't tell me having the most fantastic technology that was recovered at Roswell, virtual free energy & the power to travel to the stars among other things wouldn't warp one's sense of importance. These people certainly pull the strings of the government knowingly or not and therefore control our fates.
Its time for a 'culling'- the whole system is stressed, too many people (cattle) that need to be controlled/fed/ and basically they are going to let us fall over the edge or give us a nudge if need be. They don't need money only that its needed in this 'system' but they have the power & energy to do what they want.
The Mayans calender could have gone on another 1000 years but it ends on a very particular cycle which has been proven to be correct. Im sure you will assert your superior intellect and proclaim there has never been any huge disasters in earths history, or no empires that have fallen..IMPOSSIBLE! right? Maybe your the one who should read your history books, its not out of the realm of possability on any front. Except now we have definitely had a 2 way commication with ETs for what benefit I have no idea..but the game you speak of is playing out in real life and this 'reality' you love so much will probably end soon. I hope not. I'd be glad to have egg on my face and still be alive to grow old. But I dont think its gonna happen..

Addtionally I'd like to add, the 'secret' that is being kept about the ETs I fear is something far more profound than the fact that they merely exist, whatever it is thats been discovered about them or about our existence in the universe must be so startling, so mind numbingly astounding that they can never possibly release the information. I think most people would handle the information about Aliens quite well, and probably not care all that much. Its the skeptics who's heads would explode or be jumping off cliffs as they realize their self righteousness was in grave error and thus their Id's collapse under their own weight...





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Power doesn't curupt those that know the power they have is given to them by the power source and center. Power only curupts the curuptable.

Im afraid it does, look at what little power politicians have and your telling me they are not corrupt?! Come on....imagine having access to universal knowledge and energy and knowing you could end all life on earth if you wish'd it..and that wouldn't corrupt any human being?!

Look at this ridiculous & trivial 'front page' story on yahoo news..they (the controlled media) treat us like children, easily distracted by a color or gadget or inconsequential 'star' and we forget where we're headed..we're cattle for the ET's or whoever else wish's to take us..

news.yahoo.com...




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reply to post by atsbeliever

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It's an interesting idea, but as a scientist I would have to step back and say wait a minute here, the conclusion is basically coming from a feeling or intuition and to me that really isn't scientific proof of an appending apocalypse.

It does bring up some interesting points here though. Good work .