Rethinking Bird-Brains, page 1
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reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 12:18 AM by AshleyD
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Hey. I didn't watch the videos but my mother collects exotic birds so I have experienced their intelligence first hand. She once told me certain breeds of birds have the equivalent intelligence and memory of a five year old child.

My mother has one white cockatoo in particular named Troy that is extremely smart. He makes 'tools' in his cage the he uses to unscrew the bolts so she has to constantly come up with new ways to keep him in. He's undone screws, locks, bolts, wire, and who knows what else. His white cockatoo girlfriend named Helen (Helen of Troy... aw how sweet lol) is kept in a separate cage from him overnight and he is constantly trying to get to her. We have to keep them apart for her sake because he gets too sexually aggressive with her at times. But it's fascinating to watch all the things he does to get out.

Then a green parrot she has, named Sonica, calls me 'Ashley Daughter' although we never taught her that. But she definitely knows I'm the daughter. They're fascinating to watch and extremely intelligent creatures.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 12:22 AM by asmeone2
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Oh yes, parrots and cockatials are also very intellgent! I did not include so many videos of them though, because most people are already familiar with that.

Often times I watch the wild birds around my house acting symbiotically. For example, the hawks that live around here will sometimes follow around the vultures so that they can find the thermals. Oh, and it is interesting to me that the Egyptian Vulture in the video and the Turkey VUltures we have in the US look almost like photographic negatives of each other, even though they are not related at all!



reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 12:35 AM by Ign0rant
Nice find A, S+F.

For years we had thought bird brains were minuscule and inferior to mammals. Many had also used it as a derogatory term. Only do we now realize that the brains of birds are quite large compared to their head size. Birds have been shown to be adept in counting, associative learning, crafts, language and conceptual skills.

Some still consider the human mind to be unique, with animals capable of only the simplest mental processes. But a new generation of scientists believe that creatures, including birds, can solve problems by insight and even learn by example, as human children do. Birds can even talk in a meaningful way.

Source

It has also been shown that birds may be able to show empathy and have the capability of addressing point of views other then their own.

The control for the experiment was a black dot, the color of the birds feathers, placed in the same spot. The birds did not pick at this dot, suggesting that the dot itself was not disturbing to them, but rather that it was the presence of something recognizably foreign promoting the picking behavior. Self-awareness is an essential component in the development of empathy. It lies at the core of ego-centric awareness, which is the first step in the development of social intelligence. The quality of self-awareness promotes (although it does not always guarantee) the development of ‘other' awareness, which is the "I-Thou" of ethnocentricity

Source

Who knows maybe we can learn a lot from these 'bird brains'.

-Ign0RanT


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 05:27 AM by maus80


I thought this video was pretty wild, but some might say it shows a lack of intelligence, or at least interest in self-preservation, on the birds part.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 07:59 AM by Good Wolf
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They evolved along with us, and apes, and many say and can even prove they are the ancestors of the dinosaurs.


You mean the Dinosaurs were their ancestors, not the other way round.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 07:22 PM by Good Wolf
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It wasn't long ago I was reading an article about the worlds oldest Crow had died. It was a pet that managed 59 (roundabouts) years.



reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 07:51 PM by AgentOrangeJuice
Originally posted by Good Wolf
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post by AgentOrangeJuice


They evolved along with us, and apes, and many say and can even prove they are the ancestors of the dinosaurs.


You mean the Dinosaurs were their ancestors, not the other way round.

I thought the term ancestors could be used forward and backward.
The modern ancestors of the Dinosaurs etc.
Maybe im just getting creative.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 10:35 PM by Good Wolf
reply to post by Enigma Publius



I tihnk humans have always underestimated the intelligence of these birds because their body language doesn't communicate much to us. Simply they just don't "look" that smart.
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