My problem with Alien Implants

Another problem I have seen in this field. Alien implant stories. Most abduction accounts allege that aliens implant things into the victims bodies and in a few instances people have had them removed, this is where in the logical problems begin.

1. Nothing special

On a couple UFO shows now they show these surgeries, and when the implant is out it is nothing shocking, such as in the case of Jesse Long, who's "alien implant" looked nothing more then a piece of glass, yet UFO researchers will hold this up as some sort of physical evidence

2. Quote Mining reports

Then during these documentaries said researchers will often cite reports, but ll they do is give you one ore two quotes to try and support their idea such as "extraorindary composition" or "complex structure" without showing you the whole report, to lead yo to believe they found something big. Yet if you go research these cases on the net, and read the actual reports they all conclude that nothing they found was "out of this world".
This is downright deceptive, to not give the whole story. Its almost like a little cover up of its own.

The alien implant craze is another sad part of the field that has become the UFO circus.

3. Overstating of credentials
many of thse surgeries are done by one man, whom these documentaries always refer to as a surgeon or try to make him out to be famous or reknown, when hes not, and what the shows dont tell you is that the man is a podiatrist. Not to insult podiatrists, but in instances when your dealing with alleged alien implantation and things such as these youd need an expert with a bit more knowledge then a podiatrist brings


This is by far another problem area with the field, where people try to hawk bad evidence and overstate things, all to get some ratings, book sales and such.

Sometimes I wonder if a conversation between a UFO book author and his publisher doesnt go something like this

Publisher: So, is your new book done?
Author:yea Im almost done. Ive got alot of abduction accounts

Publisher: Abductions? Abductions have been done to death, every UFO author has an abductin book out. We need something bigger, soemthing badder, we need those sales!

Author:what about alien implantation removal?

Publisher: ok ok..thats a starter...but we need something with more zing..something that will really knock your socks back give you pause
Author: ok..alien hybrids..plenty of those stories out

Publisher: ok hats the right direction....

Author:and and.. and then those hybrids could be being used to integrate into human society and take over the world!
Publisher: yea yea! I like this! do it! were gonna make it happen! well get some sales!

you obviously know everything and gave no hint of you possibly accepting its possible. So i guess theres nothing to talk about. Good job. please dont even concider it.

I didnt say it wasnt possible, what Im saying is proof is needed. Something which alot of people in this field dont seem to demand too much of. I never said I knew everything, but based on what has been put forward so far I say the Alien Implant pheonemonon is also bunk.

If there is ever a implant removed and testing reveals it isnt from Earth, no way no how, fine then so be it, but that HASNT been done, and tests so far have revealed nothing of the sort, unless you believe aliens are sticking people with broken glass shards

Well, if a podiatrist is a foot specialist, it would make sense.....bo9thmof mine are in my feet, and with each one there came a red dot about the size of a pencil eraser. They were about 10 years apart and appear identicle.

Here are the pictures of them......

red marks...



implants...



Also, some jerylaber seems to have taken over my photobucket account, so I can't add new ones, but can still look them up when I type mellisamouse...weird and annoying....

reply to post by mellisamouse

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Marks and bumps in and of themselves do not prove alien implants. proof would be having them removed and such, when you could see whether or not they were alien in origin. So far no testing or observation of any implant has shown such.

reply to post by NavalFC

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No, but the missing time, adding up a 2 hours drive out of town at a strangers house BOTH times ( from walking down the street in the city, to be "rescued" by some girl way out in the country from the side of the road, the first time, she told me I was sleeping at her house for 2 days before I woke up, and the second time I woke up in the back of someones truck way on the othe side of town, got out and knocke on their door and told them to call the police to take me home, they were freaked sh^&*less, and wouldn't even let me in, I was missing for 9 hours in 40- weather, but wasn'teven cold etc....)

Then noticed the "implants" each one, AFTER these episodes.......also have memories during these times of being in pure white and some freaky guy with white hair etc telling me I need to smarten up basically....blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda, I could go on and on about that stuff, but those parts I even debate with myself etc.....

I do suffer from post tramatic stress syndrom now, and if you look through the rest of my photobucket that that guy hi-jacked, you'll see by me and my paintings etc I am pretty average, not some out there person looking for attention or anything, in fact I rarley post about this stuff because even to me the subject seems moot at times.

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reply to post by mellisamouse

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But again none of this proves anything, it essentially asks the reader to take you word for it. Stories in and of themselves are stories unless corroborating evidence is provided.

reply to post by NavalFC

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Well, it is not my job to prove anything to anyone, just to prove to myself......

this is not the pay someone a million dollars for their proof board.


I don't post on these threads because those who don't believe seem to think those with these exeriences some how OWE them proof....

No one owes you jack I'm afraid.

If I had never seen a dolphin, but just some blurry videos, i mig think people were making up stories about how tame they were and swimming with them etc too....but i wouldn't demand proof, or act like the OWED it to me.

But the whole premise of this thread was that their is no proof for them, and what little stff there is is merely exaggeratd and quote mined, So if your going to dispute that the only way is to show proof. Why try and dispute me on a thread where the question is one of proof then go ahead and say ou havent any? Makes no sense.

I have proof of them being IN there, help me find someone to get them out and then you can figure out what they are for yourself.

I have enough proof for me they are in ME is what I am trying to say.

I would LOVE to get them out though, believe me...

reply to post by mellisamouse

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This man who be more then willing to do it for you:

www.alienscalpel.com...

Have them removed, post photos as well as a complete document showing all the test results on them here.

I totally believe in alien implants. I think they are put there not only to track us and control us, but more importantly stop us from discovering what we as humans at this particular place in time are now ready to find. They are blocking our chakras, our ability to connect with other dimensions and to see what is beyond our world. These aliens dont want this and in those individuals that are ready and very willing to lift the veil , it is of my opinion this is blocked with alien implants.

It would be interesting to see what your back ground thinking on the reality you see around you is mellisamouse. Do you like me wish to open the door that hides what is our true reality? What we see around us is not all there is, the aliens know this, they've known it for centuries, and they DONT want us to see.

I have what I believe is an implant in the back of my neck and one in my lower right thumb. Ive read that ones in the neck area are put there to block ancient chakra energy systems that if allowed to open fully connect us completely with all our realities. It is this one that holds me back the most.

The one in my thumb is an indented triangle, and when I woke up to find it, it actually had a brown dusty print next to it of two very long finger marks. These rubbed off through out the day and were almost metallic.

The area of alien implants is complicated, and I know a lot of these so called implants that are removed turn out to be glass or some organic substance. Yet isnt this the perfect disguse for such an item, to make it from known elements. I think once they are removed and exposed to oxygen they loose their active part anyway.

Anyway its not just the alien implants we need to worry about, its all these electronic chips , data, DNA, tracking devices and information that is held about us on god knows how many data bases. This combined with alien implants will Im surely in time turn us into the slave race they all wish us to become.

reply to post by Mr Green

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Chakras? so now your mixing in old oriental philosophies of Qi and life energy and mixing them in with alien conspiracy and spirituality?
Oh please. And what proof do you have for any of this? None? I though so.

"I have what I believe is an implant in the back of my neck and one in my lower right thumb. Ive read that ones in the neck area are put there to block ancient chakra energy systems that if allowed to open fully connect us completely with all our realities. It is this one that holds me back the most. "

Ok using ancient oriental beliefs that have been shown to be incorrect via modern medical science wont help you at all. Their is no proof whatso ever for these claims. Its absurd

"I think once they are removed and exposed to oxygen they loose their active part anyway.
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Oh so the instant they come out, poof! The advanced alien device is now a peace of glass! How..convenient for you.


"Anyway its not just the alien implants we need to worry about, its all these electronic chips , data, DNA, tracking devices and information that is held about us on god knows how many data bases. This combined with alien implants will Im surely in time turn us into the slave race they all wish us to become."

This is pure paranoia and utterly baseless.

Here's my problem with assertions that are made to appear as fact:


Please show your data source that supports your claim of 'most abduction accounts'.

Without your researched data as evidence, your claim is bunk. This is where the logical problems begin.


You've made a sweeping generalisation based on 'a couple of shows' and you've mentioned one name. Were you able to prove that the implant was nothing more than glass?


Again, you're making a sweeping generalisation based on a couple of documentaries, which you have not named. Nor have you named the researchers.


A-huh. Again, where is your data that proves these surgeries are done by one man? Who is the man, you don't name him? Have you bothered to research how many other implants may have been removed by other surgeons/doctors?

Another sweeping generalisaton based upon you viewing a couple of documentaries.


Similarly, there's a problem in the field when people like you make claims that you can not support with facts.

Deny ignorance and do some research, other than watching a couple of documentaries.

REPLY TO MR GREEN

I know intuitivley that that is why they are ther for sure.

I also forgot to mention one on my forearm of my left arm. It is a perfect triangle, 45mmx45mmx45mm.....had it since I was around 10 years old or so.....

I think the blocking us thing is SUCH a violation of free will, that is why I want them out....

Not to mention the years and years of missing memories that seem to come with each one. It SUCKS that part! My cousins and sister will be talking about all of this fun stuff we used to do, and I can't remeber ANY of it...plus I was allways the bubbliest giggler in any group, but barley laugh anymore etc....(according to others I still do, but I don't feel the fun of it, it is just habbit I guess?)

Just because these implants just look like GLASS dosen't mean they are nothing.

Aren't crystals used as tansmitters and for storing information etc?

I want mine OUT.... is this guy willing to travel do you think?

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reply to post by mellisamouse

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Melissa, have you tried contacting a doctor? If so, what did they say?

Have you tried contacting a local UFO group near you for some advice? If so, what did they say?

To me, marks on the body aren't really strange, but coupled with your missing-time it may be something.

Get checked out at a doctor first and report back - see what s/he says? I wonder if they could scan your leg?

reply to post by mellisamouse

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Again you and Mr Green are making assumptions about the nature of alien implants that havent been proven to exist even, but for the sake of argument, IF IF alien implants are real you can not possibly know ther function because you wouldnt know their technology.

Also crystals are only a PIECE Ofa transmitter, they arent a transmitter of themselves. Crystals are used in junction with modlator for the transmitter to tansmit at a set frequency, the crystal that does this is called a crystal oscillator and looks nothing like a piece of glass.

here:
upload.wikimedia.org...

That is a crystal oscillator.
As far as if he is willing to travel you will have to contact the man, with your photos and see.

Mr Green, your arguments are merey adding new ageism and religion to the equation, which hurts the credbility even further.

Well, I went to a reflexologist and it just kind of freaked her out, and I never suggested what they were, I asked her if SHE knew,(because I never wanted to look like a weirdo) and she kinda went white and said she didn't know etc, but was way overly freaked out over such a casual question I thought.

The docotor just said it probly won't hurt me, he had never seen it before, so don't worry about it, it is not a growth or cancer etc....

I emailed the guy on that site a long time ago and he never got back to me.

The 45mmx45mmx45mm triangle is SOOO unnatural though it is perfect symetery, I hope I am some how not "marked" in a bad way, but in a "good' way if I am.

Im glad you have seen why your implant is put there, to intuitivley know is the exact reason they put it there in the first place!

Interesting you also have a triangle.

Yes it IS a violation of free will, but they can be over come with absolute determination. I know someone who has fought against his for years, its still there but hes slowly with the force of his free will removing the block. It is difficult knowing much more could be seen if these things had not been put in , but the mere fact we KNOW this is the reason means they have not won completely.

Removing them is not the complete answer. They'll just go pick on someone else whos willing and wanting to finally see what we can achieve. Im not sure what the answer is but I think as more people wake up to why they have been put there, things may slowly change and the universal power we all have may swing in our direction for once.

I may have implants holding me back, but deep inside me is a knowing that there is more to our world than meets the eye, and no alien implant will ever block this.

reply to post by mellisamouse

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Cool. Interesting at the same time. What about x-rays, or some other scans? How do you know that the triangle is that shape, can you partially see it through your skin?

Maybe someone here on ATS (with a little credibility) can hook you up with a doctor who could remove them from you. Just make sure you're not used as a guinea pig...

Hopefully, someone with more knowledge willl read your words and suggest something?