Do you 'collect' videos? Be careful...

This is a small snippet from a regular user of Liveleak.

A Warning for us all, some times life sucks

Yesterday, Sunday my time, I was visited at my home with neighbors watching by the gun wielding “Task Force Argos” the Child Safety and Sexual Crimes Police. My computers were forensically inspected both at home and in my office.

This came about over a video I uploaded in October about a 9 month old baby that was being swung about by his father.

I have been charged with Accessing Chil More..d abuse material, downloading Child abuse material and uploading child abuse material with the intent to distribute and have to appear in court on the 18th of December for a judge to decide if I’m to be charged to appear in a higher court. Merry Xmas to me

My finger prints and DNA were taken and I was interviewed like a common criminal with tape recordings and video. Apparently this is taken very seriously in Australia.

I’m just trying to warn all the up loaders and Moderators to be very careful of what is posted and approved when it comes to children; no one needs to go through this crap over something that is so petty.

As a matter of fact Hayden did everything possible to report the video to the local authorities in London; Interpol traced the video to Russia. Seems that the police in Britain passed the information on to the Australian Federal police who tracked me down.

I want to thank Hayden and Venus for their kind support over the last 18 hours. I’m sure that sanity will prevail over this matter and that some one in authority will realize the insanity of the charges.

Biggles

It seems that there are certain things that one should not be interested in keeping for posterity. Personally I collect many such clips - not as in the case of the author, but I'm certain that anyone might find offense in some of that which I collect from my browsing cache.

Be wary of certain videos that are targets for bolstering 'child abuse/porn' arrest statistics. Remember that story about the practice certain cultures have of throwing their kids off a high roof (to be caught by a relative below) as a right of passage of sorts? That video would qualify as one of the offending above. Interesting that they did show this clip on the MSM news, but if you download it, or have it accessible for someone to get from you..., you could face some pretty embarrassing times ahead.

MM

reply to post by Maxmars


that's just plain creepy ... why would you want those videos on your computer in the first place?

I had some very gross pictures sent to me of an old lady with tattoos all over her body, it was not pretty, anyway I had uploaded them after my email server ok'ed them for spam. I could not delete them soon enough!

Then a year later I had my very clean cut comp man over to fix some problems and 'those' pictures sprang up! I was shocked.

So lessons learned as we continue to enjoy the internet and avoid the problems that can arise with or with out our knowledge.

My comp guy was so sweet about it, he believed me and helped get it off for good.

"Know thy Computer"

This reminds me of that utube video last year of the baby the moms gave lsd or some drug to and filmed, I was SOOO disturbed by it I was just beside myself, I never knew how it ended, all I could do was pray as hard as I could for the baby and for justice. I found that one here on this site.

This could get very bad if there are not checks and balances on the monitors of these kinds of videos. If what the Op states is true, they have wasted manpower and money to chase a dead lead when there are tons of others needing to be arrested. Granted if 10 dead leads brings one criminal to justice then it is worth it.



[edit on 1-12-2008 by antar]

Wow. Alright no kiddy-porn---I'll keep it in mind.
If anyone is paranoid about surfer there's anonymouse.org
Maybe someone knows this to not work??

A friend of mine works on an organic farm were clothing is optional and she (very much legal age) told me many modern nudists prefer the term 'naturists' so I looked up naturists and there's all these naturists websites with naked kids. I got so freaked out I immediately closed the pages. Seems like a pederast's dream websites.

reply to post by baseball101


Personally I don't collect those kind of things. But I do have Youtube submissions galore - some of which are inflammatory and or heavily biased. I use them in my scrap book of conspiracy theories and other things.

Problem is, I'm sure someone might find a way to say that this or that piece is offensive or something. It's like the guy who has books on civil rights in his car and gets arrested because he is a potential radical. I wouldn't expect anyone who knew me to be surprised or even question my library of the bizarre, or far-out concepts, but with the new "enforcement" mentality prevalent in the 'peace keeper' community - who knows?

[edit on 1-12-2008 by Maxmars]

Originally posted by baseball101
reply to post by Maxmars

 

that's just plain creepy ... why would you want those videos on your computer in the first place?

Creepy? That's one creepy avy you got if you think that's creepy. Is not the boy pictured expereincing suffering as the suffering of an abused kid pictured on a video?

It's just plain hypocrisy it seems.

reply to post by Mabus


it's to prove a point not to glorify the child's suffering. plus it's not like i have a *snip* collection of these pictures ... the topic has to do with how the dude has a collection of these things

[edit on 1-12-2008 by baseball101]

Originally posted by baseball101
reply to post by Maxmars

 

that's just plain creepy ... why would you want those videos on your computer in the first place?

My guess would be for the same reason you have a starved naked child as your avatar. The shock and awe value.

The fact of the matter IS that they can show up at your door for whatever reason, like for even downloading MP3's if they so decide.

In fact "the decider" recently signed into US LAW the internet piracy police, an actual police force that can not only show up at your door in the US, but they also can cross international borders in the name of copyright infringement.

Big Brother is watching YOU !

Originally posted by baseball101
reply to post by Maxmars

 

that's just plain creepy ... why would you want those videos on your computer in the first place?

That's strange coming from someone with an avatar like yours?????

But yes it sounds a bit strange, but it's really down to why he has them. Any connections to how he got it etc.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by _Phoenix_]

people need to wake up. stop behaving like children. downloading garbage like a baby being thrown around is so stupid.

its beyond dumb. like, who would want to see that in the first place, what kind of dude would see the link and be like, "dayam they finally got it! They found the video I've always dreamed of seeing, the baby getting thrown video"

then after that thought, they think, "oh boy I better download this I may never get another chance"

That's creepy. And what type of loser dad would throw their child around? That's beyond odd and boarder line psychopathic.

What is on my computer is my concern and no-one's else. What I do on the internet concerns me and noone else... As long as I hurt noone and do not encourage anyone to hurt anyone, there is absolutely no reason I cannot have what I choose on my computer.

It's like being sued for being a neonazi and propagating gassing Jew-s just for having 'Mein Kampf' on your hard-disk.

Dear Biggles, and all others reading this. Yep it's true, they can and do come knocking on your door for all sorts of things these days. In my case, my wireless router got piggybacked, and all sorts of things were apparently recorded against my ISP. Unfortunately for me, a younger member of my household downloaded a few vids that were legitimate adult porn, easily provable as I eventually found the original adult movies the clips came from for sale at an adult shop - so the material was readily available and had been classified in the community. The trouble is, they have changed the laws to say that the cop who arrests you gets to decide whether or not it's C... Por. Yep, that's right, if they just think the actor is under 18, you get done for C... Por. and there's little you can do about having your name trashed in the community once the media gets hold of it. On top of that, you get treated badly, they don't care if they assault you during the 'search', knowing you can prove that you weren't home when the files they say were downloaded doesn't matter, having a clean history doesn't matter. AND MOST OF ALL your human rights don't matter at all. I don't think they should be able to publish your name in the paper until they actually prove you are guilty, that way, if you are innocent like me, then it won't cause any harm to your reputation in the community. But if you are guilty, then let the media go for it and expose these b...... who peddle in this abhorrent stuff. It took me 10 months of pur hell, loss of job, loss of reputation, all for a 30 min committal trial that got tossed out BECAUSE I WAS INNOCENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. In Aussie, they did 300 raids over the past 12 months, and only arrested 100. What does that say? THEY ARE GETTING IT WRONG 2 out of 3 times! Just how many people got convicted because they couldn't afford to pay a defence lawyer to go to trial is just unknown. THIS IS THE REALITY OUT THERE. NO ONE IS SAFE at all - especially if you are innocent. People who have a wireless connection, or wireless router, GET RID OF IT. If someone taps into your system and downloads illegal material, it is YOU who will go for it in the end!

It was downloaded from metacafe, and had been posted on youtube, it's a russian man swinging his baby around by the arms..they are circus performers. the video was downloaded and then shared via downloading it to LiveLeak with the purpose of highlighting the danger of doing that. Biggles9 was arrested for downloading it and distributing it..no one at youtube or metacafe or any other sites are being prosecuted for it as far as I know.
Task Force Argos tracked him down via interpol in the Uk . It should be noted the Liveleak had discussed the video in question with authorities a month before,whereby they tracked the original poster to russia. The description in the video posted on LiveLeak stated it was dangerous, who knows this person?, highlighting the danger of the practice.

Mainstream media such as CBS, Fox,CNN, dozens of local tv stations replayed the video. How is it ok for television to report this but not an on-line video shareing website that reposrts news via it's citzen journalists.

This mans life could be ruined, refused travel, has to register as an offender, $10,000 in bail already posted after a 7 hour interrogation without representaion. Fair warning to anyone who shares videos.

Originally posted by _Phoenix_

Originally posted by baseball101
reply to post by Maxmars

 

that's just plain creepy ... why would you want those videos on your computer in the first place?

That's strange coming from someone with an avatar like yours?????

But yes it sounds a bit strange, but it's really down to why he has them. Any connections to how he got it etc.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by _Phoenix_]

Seriously why is everyone giving this guy hell for his avatar?

Maybe it's making you guys feel a little guilty?

It's to prove a point! A very good one at that.

Originally posted by theendisnear69



Seriously why is everyone giving this guy hell for his avatar?

Maybe it's making you guys feel a little guilty?

It's to prove a point! A very good one at that.

There is nothing wrong with his avatar. That's the point. It's just ironic.

The point is, the motive is what really matters, why did this guy have that video?
Was it to show the world the reality of such things etc. Or was it to make fun of it. The motive makes all the difference.

Just like that guy with the avatar, I'm sure he has it to prove a point. But what if he had it because he thought it was funny? That would make a big difference.

So basically we should know more details about why the guy has the video before calling him creepy.



[edit on 2-12-2008 by _Phoenix_]

I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Granted that may be naive, but if you are going to assume that this particular image or video or whatever it was constitutes some kind of anti-social trait, your would be guilty of judging someone without the specifics.

I take his story at face value. I can see that certain people simply will not tolerate that possibility, but that is their own affair.

I can believe that people would collect or share this video to make a statement regarding the subject matter, but apparently presumption of guilty intent is more predominant in the society at large.

Too bad really. If his intent was noble it was lost, if it wasn't he'll face justice on the 18th.

Remember the video series 'Faces of Death'? It was distributed by all manner of video rental and sales stores. Anybody arrested for that yet?

reply to post by ConservativeJack



The User downloaded 100's of different vids with a broad range of topics. The same video he was arrested for was shown on 3 different US television networks. The video is sensational. If you had watched to the end you would have seen a happy, smiling baby. There is much debate whether this is even abuse. Whats normal to you and me...might not be the same thing if you are talking to ( or watching) a Russian Circus family. The fact that decision is no longer "common sense" should bother you greatly. The fact you can now be arrested for uploading a vid that has been shown on Network television should be very troubling to all.

reply to post by baseball101


Did I miss something?

This came about over a video I uploaded in October about a 9 month old baby that was being swung about by his father.

Where does it describe this creepy abuse. I understand that is what the charges are but all I see as a description is this and people are judging this person for having it so harshly? Does "swung about" mean something I am unaware of?

To the people who are giving insult to member baseball101 about his avatar, shame on you.

His picture is an iconic image showing the world that children are starving and dying from starvation.

The subject matter about this topic is completely different, so lay off him/her.