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reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 09:25 PM by OBE1
Next MSM Catch Phrase: Quantitative Easing...what we lay-people refer to as Printing.

I finally heard the term used on CNBC this AM for the first time, a few minutes before open. Santelli & Liesman...whoops, make that Leisman were bantering about cratering bond yields. Santelli cited the Fed's QE regime as a potential cause. Leisman quickly replied that he didn't know what Rick was talking about, and immediately side-tracked.

Now...should I be more concerned that Leisman (the purported CNBC Fed expert) may not be familiar with concept of QE...or with the [more likely] prospect that he is intentionally playing possum?

The Fed could buy Treasury notes and bonds or agency bonds in a bid to drive yields lower and "spur aggregate demand," Bernanke said. Many analysts refer to such a policy as "quantitative easing," because the Fed would target a specific amount of money to flood into the economy.

Marketwatch

Truth is, as Santelli alluded this morning, QE is already an active policy...has been since September.....the last bullet in the bandolero short-of a dire 1933-style devaluation of the currency.

Quantitative easing has begun

or

If inspired, you can suss the numbers for yourself: Fed H.3

Several months back, to illustrate the severity of the [inflationary] path I believed the Fed was preparing to embark-on, I posted a few quotes & a link to Bernanke's famous 2002 helicopter speech titled: Deflation: Making Sure "It" Doesn't Happen Here.

"If we do fall into deflation, however, we can take comfort that the logic of the printing press example must assert itself, and sufficient injections of money will ultimately always reverse a deflation...." *(Quantitative Easing)

"Of course, the U.S. government is not going to print money and distribute it willy-nilly (although as we will see later, there are practical policies that approximate this behavior)." *(You can say that again)

"Yet another option would be for the Fed to use its existing authority to operate in the markets for agency debt (for example, mortgage-backed securities issued by Ginnie Mae, the Government National Mortgage Association)." *(Quantitative Easing)

"We conclude that, under a paper-money system, a determined government can always generate higher spending and hence positive inflation." *(Lunacy?)

"A broad-based tax cut, for example....A money-financed tax cut is essentially equivalent to Milton Friedman's famous "helicopter drop" of money."

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reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 09:34 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by OBE1



Great post. So Im assuming your in agreement with myself? Gold going to skyrocket? Kill the dollar before gold revaluations and eventually a new currency. The gold revaluation I am 90% sure of, the new currency Im not. I dont see how we can ever pay off these debts with the dollar at its current value. They have to kill the dollar. Gold $10,000 I stand by it.


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 09:42 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by OBE1




Next MSM Catch Phrase: Quantitative Easing...what we lay-people refer to as Printing.




I like Quantitative Easing. Much more reassuring.


The Fed could buy Treasury notes and bonds or agency bonds in a bid to drive yields lower and "spur aggregate demand," Bernanke said. Many analysts refer to such a policy as "quantitative easing," because the Fed would target a specific amount of money to flood into the economy.


Jesus Christ. That's not reassuring at all! .. If there are no nations or firms to buy national debts to fund our .. ahem .. habit .. is Bernanke openly stating he supports THE FED TO PURCHASE TREASURY NOTES/BONDS AS A METHOD TO FUND.. OURSELVES????

It's like .. oh snap .. credit cards are maxed out.. oh snap, can't get a new one. I will take this flash card, write VISA on it, add a lil color logo.. smiley face.. oo, cannot forget the name .. ok ..off to go shopping!

Hyper inflation.

THen.. if the Gov bailed out FED member banks, then FED member banks bail out the Gov, and the Gov controls the banks, yet they own our debt.. uh .. do we just form the Corporate States of America, issue stock and form a new Gov?



MBU


Gold $10,000 I stand by it.


If $10,000 only buys 2 weeks of groceries, is it worth it?


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 09:44 PM by mybigunit
reply to post by Rockpuck



It is if I have enough gold. I tell you and everyone else. Buy physical gold. Inflation is coming whether we like it our not. How do I know? They tell you straight up in all the speeches. They just do it in financial lingo. I like the quantitative easing slogan. Does make you feel more at ease instead of the word INFLATION!!!!


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 09:48 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by mybigunit



OK, I believe you.. the day the Fed purchases US debt I will rob every old woman I see of a wedding band.

If they can truly "ease" inflation so that inflation rises faster then debt.. it may not be all that bad, so long as debt is regulated, as well as credit.

Over do it and the consequences could be severe(er).


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 09:52 PM by LOLZebra
reply to post by vapedson



How about "Your tax money being Laundered to pay top executives Act"

or "The Spy on American Citizens Act"

That's what they should really be called.


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 11:48 PM by OBE1
reply to post by mybigunit


Hi MBU!

Ya know, being a bull-at-heart, I really have to sit on my emotions when it comes to Gold...sometimes it costs when I don't. Yeah, I think Gold does fine. Maybe trades in a range above 700 through most of December...then moves...that take-down in London yesterday was brutal though Gold: The most manipulated market on the planet at the moment. I think the boyz are running a little scared. Treasury credit default swaps are running at record levels for a reason...and still, everybody wants in

* Didn't get to finish MBU...posted prematurely somehow...sorry.

Wanted to add: I'm watching the deliveries on the December Gold contracts like a hawk. Only Dec 1, and we're already about to over-take deliveries for the entire month of Oct....could be the catalyst for a strong move

Keep track here:

Vaporize Comex

GL

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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 03:17 AM by Daniel666
reply to post by venividivici



Man when are people going to stop calling it an GLOBAL RECESSION!
And call it what it is!
THE GLOBAL DEPRESSION!
WHY?
CUASE I AM SO F****** DEPRESSED!




reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 07:41 AM by mybigunit
reply to post by OBE1



Thanks for the post man. Im glad Sinclair has a movement going to bust the fraud known as the comex. I still am hopeful for our country. Maybe the movement to get rid of frauds like the FED and COMEX will grow. Ive been doing my part to buy gold although it hasnt been through the COMEX.


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 03:16 PM by its bologna
Originally posted by Sillyfool
earlier today on Yahoo Financial news there WAS (notice that I can't find it now) that said that credit card companies are going to reduce the credit lines by 2 TRILLION dollars starting now into next year. Actually started already. My Chase was cut in half from 31K credit line to 15.5K, not that I plan on using it. This cut in credit will squeeze those without cash and jobs. I would also expect the physical money supply to start dropping like the Great Depression 1. Hold on to your cash, it will be hard to get like the 30's. Count on Mass hysteria by those tho can't get food. Welcome Mad Max, lock and load!


My thought is that the whole bailout is wealth redistribution. Citi got a bailout and wants to buy a Spanish construction company. Other banks got a bailout and just used the money to buy out smaller banks. This done on the taxpayer's and future taxpayer's expense. I say its time for a revolution..a New Boston Tea Party.


As far as Chase goes, they are shady and have been for some time. I had a very large balance on my Chase credit card. They arbitrarily decided I was too big a risk, and wanted to raise my interest rates by 5 pts even though my payment history is excellent (no late or slow pays in my life with them or anyone else). I was fortunate enough to have the money to pay these debts off quickly..but there are lots of people who are seeing the increased interest rates, and are unable or unwilling to pay them and just don't. I think they had the right idea.


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 05:58 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by Cythraul



Very Astute point.

I just prefer Silver. MBU has a crush on Gold.

We all have our fixes.

Obama prefers Rhodium I hear.

Marge:

$1 salary, sell our planes, will arive in a hybrid car.

By GOD we HAVE to give them money now!!!

Other then that, they have offered no evidence as to how they will continue functioning. Auto sales decreased 30+% in November. GM will most likely be posting it's single worst quarterly loss next quarter.
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