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reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 03:34 PM by N. Tesla
reply to post by CA_Orot



it liberates you from nothing. if anything college makes you more of a slave. it is estimated that a 6 year college takes 30 years to pay off.

that is the government owning you for the next 30 years. freedom?


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 03:37 PM by trustnobody
reply to post by N. Tesla



N.Tesla,

I can understand that you are going to get answers from both sides of fence on this issue. I think what it comes down to is choice. When I was in High School I didn't want to be there. I felt like a prisoner. I wish I could have had some choice in the matter. I cut school and played in a punk band. Later on I went to college for something that I actually want to learn and was useful. Either way School doesn't equal intelligence. An intellengent person will find a way to learn with or without high school.

Peace
Trustnobody


reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 04:16 PM by CA_Orot
reply to post by N. Tesla



Tesla, what I said was:

saying # the system does one thing. It liberates YOU temporarily from being a slave to it...until you realize you HAVE to play the game by the rules.

Saying Screw the system liberates you....to a point. I didn't say that going to College Liberates you.

For the record, I'm in my 4th year of University, and here is what it cost me to go:
1st year - $5,000 Tuition & Books (lived at home with Parents)
Paid in Full by Scholarships from Highschool.

2nd Year - $13,000 Tuition & Books & Living (lived inthe City in an Apartment)
Took out 2 Student loans - totalling $10,000
Currently owing $5,000 - paid one off
Mom lent me $3,000 - paid her back

3rd and 4th Year - $18,000 Tutiton, Books & Living (currently in 4th year, living on campus in residence)
Line of Credit from the Bank - $16,000
Visa Card - $2,500

I'm in my Fourth Year, and when I am finished I will owe just about $23,000 dollars. I'm not worried about what I owe - why? Because at the end of it all, I'm going to be able to pay it back.

My bestfriend is a Cost Accountant for a Pulp Mill in our hometown, Her education cost her $30,000. Four Year program, bachelor of Business Administration, majoring in Accounting, and is currently getting her designation in Cost Management Accounting. She's been working at the mill a little over a year. She makes $27/hr. Her debt is gone. All the money she has banked now - is what she is using to start her life.

Now, not everyone strikes a good job fresh out of University. My friend Jeff, has a Degree in Political Science, and in Sociology. He is making $15/hr, and he owes more than I do. But you know what? Its the field he wants to be in, and he couldn't get into his field of work without his degrees. Yeah it sucks that he's making $15/hr - I agree it sucks - but he has a chance for advancement which will help make his debtload lighter.

THAT irks me about College. You spend all this time learning, and all this money on books and tution, only to have to pay it back...but it can be done without going bankrupt or being broke for 30 years paying off debt.

- Carrot



reply posted on 2-12-2008 @ 08:10 PM by 30 Seconds
reply to post by N. Tesla



anything school other then your basic math and english is useless...until college or university...

so basically that 13 years inbetween is just to teach you obedience.


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 02:07 PM by N. Tesla
Originally posted by 30 Seconds
reply to
post by N. Tesla



anything school other then your basic math and english is useless...until college or university...

so basically that 13 years inbetween is just to teach you obedience.



school is just there to keep you off the streets. it teaches you not to cause problems when your an adult.


i agree with you that college is more necessary but then why all the other waste of time



reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 03:41 PM by FoxStriker
reply to post by N. Tesla



I was like you when I was in High School... I figured it out my Senior year, its not about the credits or the usefulness of the info, but the applications and implimentations it will have in the future...

You'd be surprised how important it is in the future to understand history, political science, math, science, what have you. Just remember, when you take subjects out of the equation of universal knowledge, you limit yourself to choices and decision and you ended up repeating mistakes.

[edit on 12/3/2008 by FoxStriker]


reply posted on 3-12-2008 @ 03:49 PM by Anonymous ATS
I look at school differently every second. there are two ways in which I tend to interpret the requirements that (at least my own school district) places on us. Actually, not really the requirements, but the way that the teachers attempt to teach and fulfill their own job requirements and therefore have no responsibility if a child fails. I agree with the requirements in a way. These requirements consist of say the number of credits, which means that you have to take so many years of a particular subject. What is weird is that my school requires more years of english and history than math and science.. that to me is retarded. But anyway/s, my two views are that teachers who dont know how to teach (oof which there are numeroussss) push the paper, meaning worksheets. this is true this year in my physics class. It is not true for my biology class, however, in which the labs we do are somewhat of a learning experience, yet more or less they ensure that no one fails because the labs which all the goody goodies complete with perfection act to offset the possible bad grades on the tests which are pretty hard im not gonna lie. Does the teacher use the labs for this reason? The use of this by this part. teacher is questionable. Do other teachers use this method to ensure somewhat decent grades by the students within their classrooms? absolutely. This practice I don't refute as being acceptable, its helped me thats why haha. even if it didnt though. what i DO NOT agree with is teachers being fat #ing lards and have students do labs instead of lecturing. Now if this is their method of teaching so be it. If they don't know how to teach well in the first place though, and ( I say "and"bc occcasionally teachers need a break, but most hand out worksheets bc they cannot teachadeq. , not because are too lazy) do this as oppossed to actually talking, they should not be teaching. There are other administrative things which are stupid, like no ipods bc kids cannot hear the fire alarm... idk about that one. its a possibility though i guess, but you could still see everyone leaving. more of a legal issue i guess, but at first i wasl iek wtf lame excuse just say no electronics bc they can get stolen.. but i kindof thought about it and not agree but w/e.. Other things like shoe wearing policies are jsut ridic though. anyways just my two cents. im a senior btw outside o' philly. I heard NYC's a lot harder than around my area ( from a kid who transferred and was forced to take classes they no longer needed, at least for a marking period i think they finally relented i dont know for sure though alls i know is that he left ahah so yeah)


pcce maybe ill join this site soon,
Mike r.


reply posted on 5-12-2008 @ 04:05 PM by N. Tesla
reply to post by cancerian42



so your family pushes you to do it. i dont see why that makes it a nessecity.


reply posted on 6-12-2008 @ 12:51 AM by cancerian42
reply to post by N. Tesla



My family pushes me to do what? go to college? yes, but I am not going. What is not a necessity? college? I know, that is why I am not going.

[edit on 6-12-2008 by cancerian42]
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