Originally posted by theendisnear69
People agree that's where Anarchists belong though.

so thats why im like this . unforunantely these days anarchists means someone who hates the government. i think of an anarchist as a person who goes against the norm to benefit himself or society.

Originally posted by N. Tesla

Originally posted by theendisnear69
People agree that's where Anarchists belong though.

so thats why im like this . unforunantely these days anarchists means someone who hates the government. i think of an anarchist as a person who goes against the norm to benefit himself or society.

Yeah i'm both of those haha.

But I tried to learn and benefit from both HS and College. But if you have "different" beliefs, ways of thinking, or political stance people make it a helluva alot harder for you to learn or benefit from their structured way of learning.

Like I major in Psychology, and yet I have to take 2 math classes, and biology. I don't see how knowing what 2+2 is has to do with Psych.

Um I believe you are a junior in high school, not have a junior.

The thing that strikes me most about this attitude is that the things you are asked to do at school are not different than the things you will be asked to do for work once you are in the real world.

Being on time, showing up, doing the things you don't really want to do and aren't even in your job description, dealing with a jerk boss...all of those things translate directly from school to real life.

If you don't know your history you won't know why the world is the way it is today. History is all about context.

English is the most important class you have. Proper grammar, reading comprehension and analytical thinking are of the utmost importance when trying to succeed in the adult world.

A basic understanding of math and science may seem useless but they are building a foundation for both college and/or technical real world skills.

You don't need necessarily need traditional school, but you do need an education.

whether it is self taught, home schooled or done the traditional way in public schools.

Well, I'm from the UK, so I know my schooling life was different to yours. Only 6 hours a day for one...


But...

English: I can spell correctly (Most of the time ), I know how to organise things I write, I can read well, The list goes on...

Maths: I use this most days, for money and for games mainly.

Science: Well physics and chemistry don't help me immensly, but Biology does. I know how I work, and wehat can happen when I abuse my body with alcohol, ciggarettes etc...

French: No real use to me I'll admit.

History: I know what has happened in the past, and it gives me a great insight as to what is happening today.

Religious Studies: No real use I'll admit.

P.E: Need I explain?

ICT: Most jobs nowadays will require some sort of computer knowledge, this helps greatly. I know more than my father who works in IT.

Design Technology: Some basic skills in woodwork, will almost certainly come in handy at some point.

These are lessons I did after my options... So I no longer had to do, cooking, clothing desing, Spanish, Geography.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Well so do millions of other people who become Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and Scientist!

Dont blame your lack of applying yourself on a school system thats a cop out!

Yes some school systems need improvement no arguement there

Look Man... The OP is trying to illustrate one point.... and one point only.

We all believe in a WELL-ROUNDED-EDUCATION... but by todays standards it's getting out of control.

Instead of being able work an extra three hours a week to help pay the bills, I have to study Greek Mythology and French Poetry instead?

I have to study Calculus for 5 hours a week instead of focusing on my real passion which is creative writing and journalism.


It's like telling a NFL quarterback that he needs to learn how to play Linebacker because somewhere down he road, he might want to change his job from throwing passes to tackling 220 lb. running back in the future.


I think you can easily eliminate 40% of average American's high school education and redirect that time saved to focus on the strengths and needs of that particular individual.

I know where I live there is a Vo-tech program for kids who have a clear goal in mind career wise. As a junior and/or senior you take your basic credits like math and english during half of the day and the other half you are doing something like Child development or culinary school, or drafting and design or mechanic classes, even medical field classes By the time you graduate you are certified to some point and may even have quite a bit of college credit.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Well so do millions of other people who become Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and Scientist!

Dont blame your lack of applying yourself on a school system thats a cop out!

Yes some school systems need improvement no arguement there

Look Man... The OP is trying to illustrate one point.... and one point only.

We all believe in a WELL-ROUNDED-EDUCATION... but by todays standards it's getting out of control.

Instead of being able work an extra three hours a week to help pay the bills, I have to study Greek Mythology and French Poetry instead?

I have to study Calculus for 5 hours a week instead of focusing on my real passion which is creative writing and journalism.


It's like telling a NFL quarterback that he needs to learn how to play Linebacker because somewhere down he road, he might want to change his job from throwing passes to tackling 220 lb. running back in the future.


I think you can easily eliminate 40% of average American's high school education and redirect that time saved to focus on the strengths and needs of that particular individual.

No offense to you but

You dont HAVE to take Calculus unless you are a calc major.

Take a LOWER LEVEL math.

You just have to FILL OUT the REQUIREMENTS.

Dont take Greek Methology, that's REDICULOUS! Take a POLITICAL SCIENCE .

Who is advising you to take such hard GEN ED classes?

Because for your MAJOR, you have to take GENERAL EDUCATION credits, but you do not have to take SUPER SPECIAL classes. Take the BASIC Gen Eds.

Unless the class is a MAJOR REQUIREMENT CLASS (Theres only a few of them), like Psych 100 would be for you, DONT TAKE IT. I know for a fact Greek Meth and Calculus are not requirements for Psych.

Go to ratemyprofessor.com

its your best friend. I have saved countless hours of work by scouting ahead of semester and picking the EASIEST professors and most LIKED.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by ConservativeJack]

This is an interesting post! Started by someone I have grown to keep an eye out for here on ATS! It's a 50/50 standing. I think most would say that education is good, but to learn ONLY what "they" (school) tell you to iss not. I'll try to give my take on a joke...

A guy is working at McDs and the manager brings him a mop and says "Can you mop the back room?" The employee says "I graduated from college with honors..." The manager retorted "Oh, let me show you how then..."

I think learning is obviously needed. But I think to limit the general knowledge gained from school is a bit narrowing. School rarely allows it's students to think anymore. And how can anyone take a testing seriosly called SOLs?

May I ask what you do for a part time job after school and on Saturdays? You seem so bright and have all the answers I am sure you've had many offers for work. Have you not?

What are your chores at home? Do you do the very best you are able to to complete those chores efficiently and with a good attitude?

I think you are a lost puppy that has no idea how to get where you want to go. You want something , like freedom of choice for your future vocation, you must be smarter than the average person and outsmart the public school system.

If you are as intelligent as you think you are then you should make perfect grades all the way in every class.........no exceptions. It is very possible to skip grades and graduate from high school early if you excel.

My parents understood that I absolutely hated school. Early on I knew I had to make good grades and go to college, not get pregnant out of wedlock and give them no back talk. I knew adhering to their rules was my only profitable way out of a miserable situation.

Stop complaining, get with the program, keep thinking out of the box but let your educators and parents think you are conforming. You will gain a quiet pleasure knowing you are playing the game by your rules and using them to your advantage.

Life is a game.......play by your rules with no one knowing you are doing so until the time is right to rise above the crowd. If you are smart enough to do that then you will have accomplished your original goal.

I learned that I have gotten more out of working 40 hours a week at wally world than high school ever got me.

But a Doctor who studied hard all the way through school and went into further education will have gotten more out of school than you did from your work at wally world.

It all depends on how you treat it.

Originally posted by StevenDye

I learned that I have gotten more out of working 40 hours a week at wally world than high school ever got me.

But a Doctor who studied hard all the way through school and went into further education will have gotten more out of school than you did from your work at wally world.

It all depends on how you treat it.

but not everyone wants to be a doctor.