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Topic started on 1-12-2008 @ 11:14 AM by dede95064
here's some things i filmed last night.
i'm stumped as to what these could be. any thoughts?

click on "watch high quality version" for slightly better quality.
www.youtube.com...

any suggestions as to how to improve the quality for youtube videos? that is, what resolution should i encode them in for future videos? is youtube best for these kinds of things?


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 11:20 AM by ANTHONY33
reply to post by dede95064



Looks interesting where did you catch this?
could you see it with the naked eye?


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reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 11:35 AM by free_spirit
Originally posted by dede95064
here's some things i filmed last night.
i'm stumped as to what these could be. any thoughts?

click on "watch high quality version" for slightly better quality.
www.youtube.com...

any suggestions as to how to improve the quality for youtube videos? that is, what resolution should i encode them in for future videos? is youtube best for these kinds of things?


This is an excellent video recorded with night shot showing a large number of objects
flying in formation at certain speed preserving the distance until some of them split
in other direction. You made a very good recording and the lights at night are
consistent.

The speed and the uniform flying pattern will discard the chinese lamps theory, not
at this speed definitely. Also not flock of birds, these are lights unless lighted birds
wich would be ridiculous. Not satellites of course it's obvious. Airplanes flying in
formation or military jets? Could be but where is the sound. Then what do we have
in this footage? A legitimate UFO fleet. Unless the videographer reveals this was a
CGI creation in wich dede96064 has the last word.


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 11:48 AM by Moonsouljah
Originally posted by internos

if i'm not mistaken more than one breed of birds fly by night, but i'm not expert: maybe we could also check if location and time of the video are consistent with some migratory route.

www.saskschools.ca...
--"migration begins in late August or early September (depending on how far north they are)"
--"flock travels by day or night"
Would night vision pick up birds from that distance?

www.bellaonline.com...
The geese are definitely built for this long distance travel. They can reach up to 60mph during their flights, and can reach an altitude of 8,000 feet. They can fly at night, and can fly for up to 16 hours in a stretch.


Does this look like 8,000 ft or less altitude? I don't know I'm asking those who can gauge it from video.

I don't think a flock can be ruled out here but... still a cool video!


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 12:28 PM by internos
Originally posted by atsbeliever
Yes but notice how they are all uniform in movement, and ridigdely static with relation to one another? Birds can't do this.

Birds are so PERFECT that they did inspire the modern aeronautic "V" formation:


Most of us have probably seen large groups of migrating birds like geese or ducks flying in formation. These large groups of birds are particularly common in late autumn and early winter when birds migrate from their summer habitat in Canada to the warmer climate of the southern United States. Such groups of birds will typically fly in a large "V" shape with one bird in the lead and others trailing behind in two lines.

Snow geese flying in formation

Scientists who have studied formation flight believe that birds fly in this way for two reasons. The first reason is that the shape of the formation reduces the drag force that each bird experiences compared to if it were flying alone. This decrease in drag occurs thanks to the formation of wingtip vortices

Creation of trailing vortices due to a difference in pressure above and below a lifting surface

These vortices are generally undesirable because they create a downwash that increases the induced drag on a wing in flight. However, this downwash is also accompanied by an upwash that can be beneficial to a second wing flying behind and slightly above the first.

Regions of upwash and downwash created by trailing vortices

A bird flying in one of these upwash regions essentially gains free lift so that it can fly at a lower angle of attack. As angle of attack is reduced, the induced drag is also lowered so that the bird does not need to flap its wings as hard or as often to generate the thrust needed for forward flight. Flapping the wings less often means that the bird's muscles do not work as hard and its heart rate drops. As a result, the bird does not tire as quickly and is able to fly farther.

Researchers explored this theory by monitoring pelican heartbeats during flight. Examination of the data showed that the heart rates of pelicans flying in formation were much lower than that of a bird flying alone. Other studies have estimated that a flock of 25 birds in formation can fly as much as 70% further than a solo bird using the same amount of energy.

Theoretical investigations further support these observations of birds in formation flight. By spacing themselves apart properly, birds can achieve optimum positions that reduce the drag of every bird in the formation. However, not all birds benefit equally. Your speculation about the lead bird being in the best position is actually incorrect. This bird has to work the hardest since it flies into undisturbed air. The upwash that this bird creates improves the aerodynamics of the two behind it, and these two further improve conditions for the next two birds in line.

Reduction in induced drag for birds in formation


The majority of the benefit goes to the birds further aft, but the front bird does still gain some reduction in drag. The presence of the two birds flanking the leader helps to dissipate the downwash off the lead bird's wingtips and reduces the induced drag this bird experiences. These two flanking birds also benefit from a similar reduction in drag if outboard birds flank them as well. In other words, the birds in the middle of each of the lines forming the V are in the best position. These birds benefit from the upwash off the lead birds as well as off the trailing birds. This additional bonus means that birds in the middle experience less drag than either the lead bird or the bird at the end of each line.



Full article - V-Formation Flight of Birds



Do you think that the birds copied by the military or visa-versa?


reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 03:04 PM by Lost_Mind
reply to post by jritzmann



I certainly would like a tiny bit of input from th OP on it. I'll just leave it at that, I guess.

Ida thunk the OP wouldve been back to comment by now but maybe not. Some people dont live on this board like some of us do...



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