NDP, Bloc in coalition talks before fiscal update: tape, page 3

Originally posted by unruly1
Yes you may be right but here in Canada this will be a major impact. We shall see.

Maybe some research on the other parties policies may give you some insight ie: New Democrat party will have a hayday giving away the farm and will like the Loonie to drop so they can then say see look we have created more jobs BUT .......this is all about power or the lack of it.

Canada like any other country can not afford to have instability in these times. So did it make the Dow drop........ Maybe.

I am Canadian. I was a member of the NDP when Broadbent was at the helm and Mulroney was singing duets with Reagan. I left the party when Layton got the nod, and the country shortly thereafter (no connection between the two events).

That said, you need to do your homework.

The Tories are the ones planning to "give away the farm". As in sell it. It's in the legislation they tabled last week. The same crew - both literally and ideologically are the ones who sold away Ontario - and the same crew that sold off nearly half of Canada's crown corporations under Mulroney. Things that should belong to you and me, sold without consultation. And the business community - who traditionally back the Tories are the ones who have been screaming for a lower dollar. They are the ones who resisted every attempt to raise it when it was hovering around the $0.65 USD mark because it made their businesses profitable. It hurt some sectors, like the NHL, but for the most part it was the only thing keeping Canadian businesses competitive. Bad for the treasonous cross border shopping crew, good for their employer exporting to the USA.

Back in the days of Rae, the Tories blamed the Ontario economic back hole on the NDP policies - it was laughable then, and it's laughable now. Then, it was Ontario suffering the fallout from the economic collapse of most of South East Asia on a branch-plant economy. To put the blame for the situation OR the credit for the recovery on the shoulders of someone as irrelevant to global economics as the Premier of Ontario is absurd. The same is true with the markets today. If Canada were to be so bold as to, say, halt production of all primary resources, it would cause the global markets to stutter, granted. But this? This is nothing. No One Cares. It's not nearly important enough. It's barely even news. In fact, as of this writing, it's not even newsworthy according to CNN international.The Canadian government is a small piece of a very, very big pie.

reply to post by unruly1

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Hi Unruly,

I am willing to agree that the loony could be hurt, by political instability.
Normaly it would hurt. But to wich extend in this case ?

The entire world is upside down. I think everything could collapse anyday from now. Pakistan-India, new terrorist attack, Obama Birth certificate, British bankrupcy and so on.....

So I don't fear much about the economical impact of that situation, unless money power, and banking international strike back. They know so well, how to bend nations on their knees.

If it is the case, at least, You will know then who's M.harper servant is.



Jim flaherty's hint ; 25 billions from Canadian housing corpoation to banks, 50 Billions directly from the government to banks in order to buy bad real estate assets. six week after, Flaherty wants to sell real estate property in order to balance his budget. Is it not funny.

Afterall, who is going buy assets from the fed, or finance their purchases. THE SAME BAY STREET BANKS.....

Tories for the West ? really ?

reply to post by Malynn

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Thanks Malynn for your comments they are perfectly accurate.

I guess M. Harper will ask to prorogate, or shut down the parliament.

Mme Michaele Jean, as Gov.general, may refuse.

and I think she should refuse.

Of course people who support the Tories are upset, and I understand it.
But if we are to have another election, will we get any different outcome ?

I don't think so. Angry people now will still vote for the conservatives, I will still vote for the Bloc, I don't foresee NDP nor liberals switching either.

Should we have then, an election, with not much of a garantee that it will result in a governement getting a majority.

By Exacerbating the issue, maybe M. Harper think is doing ok. I'm not sure. PC in Québec is virtually out, since angry comments said will be use against him.

I Think the Liberals and the NDP will play the no show game in the case of an early election called in january.

I mean, in riding where there is a NPD MP, no LIB cadidate. Where Libs are in place, No NDP.

Same for second runner in ridings. I don't see such thing is necessary in Québec.

Since 63 % of the people didn't vote for PC. It is less than obvious,in such circumstances that Harper would come out first, he could end third or even fourth.

So, I don't think the parliament should be shut down.

The Gov. general of Canada is not the prime minister's puppet.

She represents the Crown, and the rules came out from the english revolution, with Cromwell.

The parliament is souvereign, it tells the crown which bills to pass, budget, etc.. The parliament is souvereign, not the Prime minister.

As long the PM is in control of the House, because he has majority or may lean on a majority. He may decide or dictate the Gov. General.

But it is obviously not the case.

Gov. General has no obligation to follow M. Harper Wills, But the Gov. General has the obligation to have a government that works properly.

This government was in the house for 7 days. before that ; elections, before that; summer break.

How many days since April the house of commons was in activity?

Now M. Harper wants a break untill january. If there are election again in january; then that means, no parliament before mid-March at least !!!!

Under these circumstances, because of the economical crisis, and political unstability around the globe that could affect this country.

I consider, The Gov. Gen. has the duty to consider a coalition to insure stability of the institutions, nonwithstanding personnal concern, regional concerns.

An update :
www.cbc.ca...

www.cbc.ca...

Pointers from the rulebook of coalition governments

A good topical read from this morning's Globe and Mail.

From the Globe and Mail

"Coalitions only work, they only stay together, if they establish firm rules with an agreement in advance. When they stop playing by the rules, it is a disaster for everyone,"

Apart from the fact that this political wrangling has, to some, devalued our faith in the electoral system in Canada, it appears it is similarly diminishing the value of our dollar . . .

Dollar diving . . .

Cooper said the situation has already caused the Canadian dollar to fall more sharply than it would have before the crisis erupted, noting the loonie dropped further after televised national addresses on Wednesday evening by Harper and Liberal leader Stéphane Dion.

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