I can't see this having any meaning in America. Much of the 'solidarity' movement is practically the antithesis of the 'American Way'. For one, it seems like 'unions' is too much of dirty word and is seen as the very definition of lazy, evil, corrupt and lazy.

no matter what movement - moves - if they dont want it... trust me they will do away with it... after alll they have all the resources to do what ever they wish....

It is true.. Solidarity stood for most of what we take for granted... But how many of those same rights have we lost? Due to piggyback laws and Patriot Acts?

Right now there might not be a problem... But we certainly cannot wait until Martial Law is called to complain.

Originally posted by Jkd Up
But how many of those same rights have we lost?

Good question. Can you answer it?

I'm curious to read your "take" on that.

Originally posted by Jkd Up
It is true.. Solidarity stood for most of what we take for granted... But how many of those same rights have we lost? Due to piggyback laws and Patriot Acts?

I don't know, I don't think 'solidarity' really stands what what Americans have and to actually take for granted. I'm under the impression that trade unions aren't exactly encouraged or wanted in America.

Right now there might not be a problem... But we certainly cannot wait until Martial Law is called to complain.

I'm not so sure. Whilst I'm positive that many Americans would lap up the 'anti-Communist' sentiment that underpinned much of the Solidarity movement, I think generally, everything else is too 'suspicious' and too unAmerican to have broad appeal. I mean, look how the 'evil Socialist' tag dogged the recent American election.

MrPenny: I'd love to know how many of our rights we've lost or are in the mix, waiting to be pulled. I could write my own book about it and retire nicely.

But we do have a President in the office that stated that the Constitution is: "...Just a goddamn piece of paper." Also, he has time and time again said he will do things with or without Congress or public backing. It's hard to find a thread here where someone is not happy with the governement and want change... What's your take on it? Do you still think this is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

I used to... But the more I look the more I doubt, the more I doubt the more scared I become.

There will be no mass movement for change (real change, not Obama propoganda change) in America until there is a mass interest in the theories on which this country is founded (Montesquieu, Locke, Polybius, etc.) and the foundations of sovereignty in this country (i.e. the people being the base of the government's authority).

In other words, as long as children are taught to hate learning in public schools, never introduced to philosophy and reasoning, and kept near illiterate, there will never be the type of movement a lot of us would like to see.

note: I say the above not as an insult to young people, as I'm still in college myself, but as an inside observation of the effects of public education.

as I do understand it is not a thread about trade unions (especially that in US the unions were often somehow connected to the mafia and lost a lot of the reputation) but the movment of the fellow citizens to achive the goals impossible to achive by individuals.

and I completly agree that it is the time to fight against NWO and the evil in power now and something has to be done worldwide. the biggest problem in that scenario is that the masses like this are easly controlled.

I am from Poland and all my family was involved in the Solidarity (by the way it was trade union only on early begining and very rapidly became the nationwide movement) so I know a little more about it. it looks so that the Lech Walesa was most probably under control of secret service and in fact was working for the communists.

I am not saying that all went exactly as they wished. they probably wanted the neccessary changes to come slow. they did not predicted that it is going to destroy so fast the communism in whole east and central europe. but in Poland they wanted to give some power to the opposition cause they knew the huge tensions among the citizens. they only wanted to secure their money and influence. did not worked in 100% but at least they are still alive and strange thing (!) noone has asked for the money they stolen during the change.

so what I mean is - when the world powers are afraid of their own nations they are provocing (or even establishing) the opposition or even a revolution but with some control over it. they need to watch out only a leader and they have again control over whole nation.

my proposal would be to make it as partizants. do not make a big movement but the separate small local opposition. this is something they are afraid of.

whatever is your choice, it is important to get prepared asap.
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