Politicians lie, cheat, steal, but say they're good. They set up the education system.

It's simple really. The standard has become it's not how you play the game it's whether you win or lose. And the old fall back if it doesn't matter who wins or loses then why keep score.

The pressure to succeed at all costs is just too much.

There's much more pressure on japanese students than americans students for grades.

IMO, it's just the corruption culture that's been developping for the last 20 years.

Is this the part where Im suppose to feel bad for cheating?

I bet you the teachers cheated, on their wife or husband, on a test before, lied or stolen.

People make a bigger deal out of that type of stuff than they ought to. We live in a capitalistic materialistic society. So someone steals a TV, make another one.

It only bothers YOU if you LET it.

Popular culture and failure of the family and failure of the corrupt education system.

Kids replicate what they see on TV... in my day, it was Happy Days where the Fonz was cool. Today we have kids bombarded with "teen shows" that give kids "STUPID" ideas.

Hey.. want attention.. CUT YOURSELF! and crap like that.. It is pathetic.

School.. yeah not like when I was there... How many of you have gradeschool aged children? How many of them actually do the fundementals like writing a spelling word 20 times? Not many I bet. Half of these kids can barely do multiplication in the freeking 6th grade! The only reason my daughter isn't a freekin unducated idiot is because I MADE her write her spelling words and I MADE her write out her "times tables". By the way, they didn't do this in school. I have lived in 5 states in the last 10 years and it appears to be the same almost everywhere. Bad schools, lazy teachers, lowered expectations.... Someone complained about standardized tests before... well they can barely teach "how to pass a test" let alone teach half of these kids to read. The Public School System is a failure... Popular Culture TV is a severly BAD influence.

Originally posted by ConservativeJack
Is this the part where Im suppose to feel bad for cheating?

I bet you the teachers cheated, on their wife or husband, on a test before, lied or stolen.

People make a bigger deal out of that type of stuff than they ought to. We live in a capitalistic materialistic society. So someone steals a TV, make another one.

It only bothers YOU if you LET it.

It becomes an insurmountable challenge the longer we don't let it bother us. It bothers me because it is this total lack of concern for our future generations that will lead to the destruction of American society, and this lack of taking responsibility that will lead to actions whose consequences may very well destroy the global society. Yes, Proper education IS life and death preperation, and should be seen as the one catalyst of our future survival.

Lying, cheating, and stealing has become the norm for success in the U.S., and the world in general. Look at the example our commander and thief has set for the world, screw the rules, do what you want.

It isn't just the U.S. where students, and people behave like this, this is the norm around the planet.

When we stopped enforcing the rules under Raygun's free market nonsense, we stopped encouraging people to act morally. When the government started looking the other way while corporations lied, cheated, and stole their fortunes, we abandoned our morality.

Todays children are merely following the examples set by the preceding generation.

Well it seems the math is in. When 60% of student have cheated or are cheating, that means that the vast majority of students AREN'T LEARNING. It's not that they are stupid, obviously they are smart enough to get by without doing the work. Imagine if parents and teachers were more proactive. or if administrators would just get the hell out of the way when it comes to letting teachers teach, and teaching REAL science, math and reading skills. These skills are the foundation of a better future. The dumber people are the fewer options they have. And you're right, some kids are just bad apples, but that should never justify setting the goal post back. This is what we have done, we have lowered expectations every time a child has found that meeting the standards of yesterday was too difficult. Instead of working with that child he/she is either pushed through, or forced to drop. To prevent a drop the administration just sets the bar lower and lower, and the law requires that you pass a test you're not capable of passing, so more drop.

People complain about socialism, public education is socialist but it is treated as part of a free market system and it is NOT. You cannot reconcile the two. You cannot make something that is meant to spend money on intangible, but necessary things like education. You can't turn it into a money making scheme, and that is exactly was has happened. Mix that in with ignorant parents, and those who think school is a replacement for parenting, and the example the rest of us as adults set in the media, online, and at home is that of adolescents whose period of childhood has been extended to the age of 30 only with drugs, sex, violence, and this generally accepted notion that honesty is not the best policy. It's why we have gameshows based on telling the truth, because the truth has become a novelty to be gawked at in disbelief rather than taught as a virtue.

Society is truly disgusting when you dig up what we sweep under the rug.

Originally posted by projectvxn
When 60% of student have cheated or are cheating, that means that the vast majority of students AREN'T LEARNING. It's not that they are stupid, obviously they are smart enough to get by without doing the work.

I'm in my final year at uni and have had to contend with cheating and theiving co-students and it really made my blood boil.

The thefts in particular were of others' academic assignments that were submitted to the tutors by drop-box in the faculty office, and had personally been threatened with a maximum 40% capped-grade for work that had taken a lot of time and effort to produce and submitted on time, only to be stolen by another student to either profit from my labours or to eliminate me as an 'academic opposition', leaving me to plead my case

I've never cheated on a test in my life.


... I'm lying to you.


Trust me on that.



lol. Sorry, I had to. Couldn't resist.
I pin the whole thing down to the fact that Americans are afraid of disciplining their children. There are so many rules against using disciplinary measures, it's incredible the children aren't torching entire cities because they know they can get away with it.

Sure they lie, cheat, steal, etc.
What possible recourse is there? What's in place to tell them not to?

The American education system has been going down the drain for some time now... I don't expect it to get any better. Lying, Cheating, Stealing, School shootings, etc... It's all just part of a decaying system.