The Best 11 9/11 Questions to 'throw back' at 'Official Believers....!

reply to post by benoni


Cherry pick? Maybe so, on this thread. However, I have yet to see a question on this thread that has not already been addressed on ATS at some point over the last four years that I have been here. Not to mention, I think every question on here has been replied to...so far.......

reply to post by ashamedamerican


I guess my question would be, in all of history name one steel framed building that has had an airliner crash into it at high speed and NOT collapsed? Oh wait, there aren't any. (and dont think about the B-25 crashing into the Empire State Building..its masonery and steel.)

Sorry....hardly anything has been answered....
take my Q;s for example...
Care to offer answers??

And if all the Q's have been answered here before...why do you feel a need to have to answer the "cherrypicked" Q's...??
Surely you are comfortable with your views sufficiently to ignore us "truffers"??Quite honestly, i dont give a continental F!@# what you think....why do you care what i think, so badly in fact that you use valuable time "correcting" the errs of our ways???
Sometimes i get the impression that the debunkers are angry with those that disagree....why the anger boys???

[edit on 1-12-2008 by benoni]

reply to post by Catesby


Yes, I have. Many could be paid Government witnesses - "wink" "wink"

The rest have as many questions as the 9/11 truthers, and they never get any answers. Imagine that!

That the supporters (like you) of the lie, uh hum, I mean official story get to use the excuse of there being victims without ever having to answer the questions that they have or even give them the full story.

Take a look:
9/11 victim families want truth

Imagine that, from Fox news no less

reply to post by cashlink


In reference to #7
I was at Dolphin aviation which is located at SRQ ( Sarasota/Bradenton ) international airport. Air Force one was parked at the main terminal at the airport. We had a contingent of marines who flew in ahead of the President and took over a hanger there at dolphin. I remember watching the news about the first plane hitting and then watched as the second one hit. Within 15-20 minutes AF1 was in the air, the sky was swarming with fighter jets fully armed as you could see them as they screamed low across the airport.
The President was whisked away with full escort within minutes of the news, I was there and witnessed it.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by midnight_sun]

reply to post by wmd_2008

Is it unreacted thermite?

Nobody knows for sure yet but it acts just like thermite in laboratory tests, this comes from a PHD who peer revues his work before publishing it to the general public though so it may be some time before we know 100%

WRONG BUILDINGS have collapsed before 911

That BS is handled in an above post, you're right that "buildings" have collapsed due to fire, and I'll even extend you the courtesy of stating that reinforced concrete buildings have, but no... NO steel frame skyscraper has ever collapsed due to a fire...

Link to building with raging infernos for 24hrs please!!!!!!

Source

Is it the real laws of physics or your version!!!!!

I leave the invention of new laws of physics to the real genius authorities of our time, NIST.
So no, I'm not using my own personal brand of invented physics.
I'm also not sure which is worse, you not knowing what laws of conservation of energy and momentum are, or you accusing me of fabricating my own laws of physics. Which by the way is pretty rude, ignorant, and fairly close to calling me a liar.

Did they have a 110 storey lab???????

I said that NIST reconstructed floor sections of the towers, not the entire towers, but if you had actually studied any of this or read my statement clearly (which you obviously did not) I'm sure you would have known that.

AT 60% OF MELTING TEMP STEEL HAS LOST 50% OF ITS STRENGTH
AT 2000C IT WOULD HAVE LOST 80-90% OF ITS STRENGTH AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY ITS DESIGN LOAD!!!!!!!

Sections of steel weakend at impact area on the South Tower YOU SEE the collapse start at the area above impact ,the weakend steel could not carry the 40,500+ton load IF YOU LOOK YOU SEE IT HAPPEN!!!! Although it was struck second it collapsed first WHY the load above impact area was higher because the plane hit lower on the building!!!!! REAL PHYSICS!!!!

I'm not exactly sure where you copied and pasted that from but your logic is horribly flawed. The only remark I will even make to that, is that NIST claims the fires never exceeded 1000 degrees.

You might want to look into the actual facts surrounding 9/11 and what the laws of physics allow before you make comments like that.
Better yet I'll play the 'non-believers' game that so many on this site love to play... links to sources please.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by ashamedamerican

 

Kevin Ryan was Site Manager of the Environmental Health Laboratories at South Bend, Indiana.

Where he worked in water quality areas.....he has since been fired for basically LYING about what UL does, using his position as a way of trying to add respectability to his claims.

Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman says Ryan was fired because he "expressed his own opinions as though they were institutional opinions and beliefs of UL"
Any other misrepresentations or slanderous false statements you would like to make?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by ashamedamerican

 

I guess my question would be, in all of history name one steel framed building that has had an airliner crash into it at high speed and NOT collapsed? Oh wait, there aren't any. (and dont think about the B-25 crashing into the Empire State Building..its masonery and steel.)

Show me one steel framed building that has had an airliner crash into it at any speed and DID collapse, and let's see you provide evidence that can back that up.
And don't even think about trotting the '911 Commission fairytale' out and attempt to use that as your evidence, because we all know it's one of the greatest works of fiction ever created.

Originally posted by benoni
Sorry....hardly anything has been answered....
take my Q;s for example...
Care to offer answers??

And if all the Q's have been answered here before...why do you feel a need to have to answer the "cherrypicked" Q's...??
Surely you are comfortable with your views sufficiently to ignore us "truffers"??Quite honestly, i dont give a continental F!@# what you think....why do you care what i think, so badly in fact that you use valuable time "correcting" the errs of our ways???
Sometimes i get the impression that the debunkers are angry with those that disagree....why the anger boys???

Very good point
I don't see them touching the majority of my own, or anyone else's statements, besides a few strategically "cherrypicked" questions.
That would be because they know that we are right, and they are wrong.

And for the record, the reason why most people support the official fairytale is because their fragile psyche can't handle the implications of being wrong, and what that would really mean.
The government that they identify with would be proven to be a bunch of sick, twisted, sociopaths who would gladly execute 3,000 of it's own citizens for their own financial and political gain.

For midnight_sun's comment that...

The President was whisked away with full escort within minutes of the news, I was there and witnessed it.

That's funny because I've seen the video of Bush sitting in a classroom full of children for at least 5 minutes after he was told of the attacks. (which he later lied about on national T.V.)
Reports range from 5 to 9 minutes after he was supposedly told of the attacks.
An Interesting Day: President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11
If that was the Secret Service version of someone being "whisked away" no wonder JFK didn't stand a chance.

Originally posted by midnight_sun
I was at Dolphin aviation which is located at SRQ ( Sarasota/Bradenton ) international airport. Air Force one was parked at the main terminal at the airport. We had a contingent of marines who flew in ahead of the President and took over a hanger there at dolphin. I remember watching the news about the first plane hitting and then watched as the second one hit. Within 15-20 minutes AF1 was in the air, the sky was swarming with fighter jets fully armed as you could see them as they screamed low across the airport.

The President was whisked away with full escort within minutes of the news, I was there and witnessed it.

You were there and witnessed it? No you were not.

That was not the truth was it? Why did you tell a lie when it is easily verified from the official record that George Dubya Bush arrived at the classrom at 9:03, delayed at Booker Elementary School for photo ops until 9:35, then drove to the airport, more photo ops on the stairway, and then AF One finally took off at 9:57? That means Dubya was at Booker Elementary for 32 minutes doing absolutely NOTHING to defend 3000 innocent American lives. As Commander in Chief of US Military Defensive Forces pResident Dubya did NOTHING for 54+ minutes.

There was no fighter escort for AF One over Florida, and AF One flew around over Florida pretending it was evading attack, and then finally received fighter escort from the Texas ANG sometime after 10:55. So now you have been easily exposed. Everything you posted was not true was it? You were not there at Sarasota/Bradenton Airport. How did you think you would get away with it?

Shortly after his call with National Security Advisor Rice, Bush entered Sandra Kay Daniels’s second-grade class for a photo-op to promote Bush’s education policies. [Daily Mail, 9/8/02] The event was to begin precisely at 9:00, but the call pushed it back to about 9:03.

Once he was out of the classroom, did Bush immediately leave Booker? No. He stayed in the adjacent room with his staff, calling Vice President Cheney and National Security Advisor Rice, and preparing a speech. [Telegraph, 12/16/01, St. Petersburg Times 9/8/02] Incredibly, even as uncertain information began to surface, suggesting that more planes had been hijacked (eventually 11 planes would be suspected) [CBS, 9/11/02], Bush was allowed to make his remarks at 9:30—exactly the time and place stated on his advance schedule. [Federal News Service, 9/10/01, see the transcript of his speech here] Why hasn’t Bush’s security staff been criticized for their completely inexplicable decision to stay at the school? And why didn’t Bush’s concern for the children extend to not making them and the rest of the 200 or so people at the school terrorist targets?

Air Force One took off at either 9:55 or 9:57 a.m. [CNN, 9/12/01, New York Times, 9/12/01, Telegraph, 12/16/01, CBS, 9/11/02, Washington Post, 9/12/01, Washington Post, 1/27/02, AP, 9/12/01] Communications Director Dan Bartlett remembered, “It was like a rocket. For a good ten minutes, the plane was going almost straight up.”

But, incredibly, Air Force One took off without any military fighter protection. This defies all explanation. Recall that at 9:03 a.m., one of Bush’s security people said, “We’re out of here. Can you get everyone ready?” [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/10/02] Certainly, long before Bush left the elementary school at 9:35 a.m., arrangements would have been made to get fighters to Sarasota as soon as possible. Not only would it have been advisable to protect Air Force One, but it would have been only sensible as another way to protect Bush on the ground from terrorist attack even before he left the school. In Florida, there were two bases said to have fighters on 24-hour alert, capable of getting airborne in approximately five minutes. Homestead Air Station, 185 miles from Sarasota, and Tyndall Air Station, 235 miles from Sarasota; both had the highest readiness status on 9/11.

We know that when Air Force One took evasive action around 10:55, there was no fighter escort. NORAD commander Major General Larry Arnold later said, “We scrambled available airplanes from Tyndall [note this is near Tallahassee, not Jacksonville, Florida] and then from Ellington in Houston, Texas,” but he doesn’t say when. [Code One Magazine, 1/02] In another account, the first two F-16s to arrive are piloted by Shane Brotherton and Randy Roberts, from the Texas Air National Guard, not from any Florida base. [CBS, 9/11/02] All that’s known for sure is that by 11:30 there were six fighters protecting Air Force One.

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7. u no wtc 7 is not 1 of the 2 towers its on its own 3 blocks away and was not hit by any plane.... so no it has not been answred you just dont want to look into things. you just listen and nod

If bush and his murderous cronies can lie and lie and lie and lie and lie it should come as no surprise that his supporters would do likewise....as some posts in this thread attest....

If bush and his murderous cronies can lie and lie and lie and lie and lie it should come as no surprise that his supporters would do likewise....as some posts in this thread attest....

reply to post by Marlborough Red


Here you go... Scroll back up to the top and work your way down.

You could probably get a hundred top questions. Take your pick.

As an aside, forget sacred cows, Zionist organizations are political, not religious.

The Zionists that rule Israel descend from Pagan Gentiles that populated Khazaria in the 8th century, adopted the Talmud and the Torah to galvanize one people in 740AD.

Rahm Emmanuel's father and Menachim Begin were pro Israeli Terrorists in their earlier careers and participated in the Hotel Bombing that slew 200 British soldiers in 1947. Sound familiar?


www.how911wasdone.blogspot.com...


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steel loses half its strength when subjected to the heat generated by the fires of the combined jet fuel and flammables within the buildings. not to mention the fact that the structural integrity of the building was compromised due to the impact of the commercial jets. i've been licensed for demolition for decades so that argument is moot. i'm a materials scientist. i did not see the first impact live but did the second. as soon as i saw the plane crash into the tower i said to the person who called me to alert me, "Those buildings are going to fall." the only official line is the truth. find another conspiracy to cling to. this one is burned beyond recognition.

Ask why we're getting ahead of ourselves. We are still waiting for a response on the JFK assassination and why it took 2 reports and we're still "looking into it" 30-someodd years later.

When they release all info about UFOs and the JFK assassination, they might release proper information about 9/11.

good question i say this to my friends and they say ye ye u believe everything on the internet so here is my 11
1 hat happened to the plane in the pentagon
2 why did fire fighters say they could save the buildings as the were blown up and explosoins were seen and heard
3 why did the FBI not let the crash investigaters in?
4 The war in Iraq happened cause of it MONEY$$$$$$$$
5 why did the hijakers were in anothere city the night before 9/11 drinking and partying
6 Why didnt jets stop the planes from destroying the twin towers
7 why were the planes being serviced (the airport screens said so) while they were crashing in the twin towers
8 why was a memo put forth that no politician is to fly on that day
9 why wasnt bin ladded captured
10 what happened to the bodies
11 why are most terrorists still alive tooday
thats my 11 questions/statemets
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i saw it and it made me believe
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE

The first question EVERYONE should ask is this:

1) Andrews Air Force Base is given the task of protecting Washington D.C. in the event of an Air Attack. It is 16 miles BY CAR from Andrews to the Pentagon. How did Bin Laden order those jets at Andrews to stand down?

2) Donald Rumsfeld changed a standing AF order of about 50 years, in that BASE COMMANDERS had the authority to order the shoot-down of commercial jets if they were hijacked. 2 months before 9-11, that order was changed so only the Defense Secretary could order the shoot down. Why was this order changed?

3) What exactly was the "order" referred to in Norman Minetta's testimony, where some guy kept coming in to the bunker, and saying to Cheney "The plane is 50 miles out.... the plane is 40 miles out... the plane is 30 miles out... the plane is 20 miles out....Do the orders still stand?" and Cheney said "Of course the order still stands! Have you heard anything different?"

4) If the fires were hot enough to weaken the steel, why are there photos of living people standing in the holes created by the impacts?

5) If the fires were so hot, why did a NYC Fire Battalion commander say that the fires could be contained with a single line?

6) Why did Bush say, not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES that he saw the FIRST IMPACT on video?

7) How and why was the Patriot Act ready to go the day after 9-11, when it was over 1,000 pages long?

8) How did we immediately "know" it was Bin Laden?

9) Since almost all (or even all, I can't remember off the top of my head) the hijackers were Saudi, why did we first invade Afghanistan?

10) Why did Mohammed Atta, and 3 or 4 more of the alleged hijackers, have training on a United States Air Force Base in Florida?

11) Why is there a connection between the "flight schools" the alleged hijackers attended, and the CIA?

That's my 11. Enjoy.

Bonus Question: Why were the 5 Jewish guys seen filming the impacts, dancing, and high-fiving each other released without any in-depth investigation?

[edit on 2-12-2008 by sir_chancealot]

reply to post by ashamedamerican


How is logic flawed re weakend steel THE STEEL does not have to MELT for it to be to WEAK to take the loads involved. LOOK at how many floors above impact point on SOUTH TOWER, each floor weighed at least 1500 tons SO 40,500+ tons of building dropped by at least 10-12 ft onto the weakend steel.

Lets see some links and figs to how it broke the laws of physics!!!!

Re other explosions many items make sounds like explosions when a building is on fire even CONCRETE because trapped water in concrete can make lots of noise as top layer is blown of due to the water expanding because of heat.
Fuel poured done lift shafts eye witness accounts to that also many other items in a modern office could explode under heat.
Also STRUCTURAL STEEL members and fixings can make noises like small explosions when they fail and since its my JOB to test items like that to failure ON SITES, I KNOW THAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by diehl123


Hmmm...interesting comments there diehl....
You seem to have quite an array of credentials, what with licences for demolishing things which youve had for decades and your materials scientist careerpath plus you were on the scene on 9/11 plus you knew before they fell that the buildings would fall plus you know absolutely that the official word is the only Truth.



Know what you mean man....