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Originally posted by pstiffy
So because Thomas Friedman believes this, that means every Liberal in the US thinks the exact same way? Quite the generalization..
Originally posted by grover
That's simple... we invaded Afghanistan in response to 9/11 and that general area is still where Al Qeada still is and the Taliban still is and until especially Al Qeada and Osama Bin Forgotten is still there they will serve as a focal point for the extremists and will be a thorn in our side until eliminated.
Iraq was invaded on false premises and unprovoked... as long as we are there it will be an occupation and will give fuel to the extremists claims that it is a war against Islam.
the extremists don't hate us because we're Free, it's because we build military bases on their Holy Land.
Originally posted by grover
Actually the Democratic gains were so slim that they couldn't do anything without Republican co-operation and they blocked just about everything in regards to Iraq except continued funding for it.
Originally posted by grover
reply to post by ConservativeJack
No its not false... check the record... the Democrats only had a majority in the senate because the 2 independents caucused with the Democrats.
Originally posted by kosmicjack
"Conservative"Jack - I'm not sure why any "Liberals" should even reply to this thread. It sounds as if your mind is made up and you're just spoiling for a fght. Have fun.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by ConservativeJack
How is that false? Do you know what a filibuster is?
The question has already been answered. Afghanistan was in response to 9/11 (and a delayed response at that). Iraq still has no known reasons for invasion.
Two different countries, with different people, and different reasons for invasion. Why does anyone need to explain the difference to you? It's obvious as day.
[edit on 30-11-2008 by Irish M1ck]
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
The difference between Afghanistan and Iraq is that the Government lied to get us into the war in Iraq when they had justifiable reasons to convince us to support them into war. But they just lied about Saddam Hussein harboring terrorists and having nuclear weapons. They could have easily convinced us that Saddam Hussein was a madman committing a modern genocide and should be stopped but they didn't . We need to stay in Afghanistan for at least a little while to stabilize the region because there is proof that the Taliban were in power and we toppled their regime because they were being oppressive to their people and Bush did not lie to us about Afghanistan. So, Afghanistan is a just war, and Iraq is an unjust war. Even if it was successful.
Originally posted by davion
Because according to government reports since 2000 Iran has been the leader in terrorist support and funding, not Iraq. In fact Iran, Syria, and Pakistan were higher in terms of terrorist activity than Iraq back in 2002-2003. The Pentagon has also apparently ruled out connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
Afghanistan housed the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and still does apparently; the country also has a large illegal opium market that helps fund the terrorists that run it.
So if anything we should probably have been in Iran and Afghanistan if this war is really about terrorism. Instead we're in Iraq, which is now basically getting the help from Pakistan and Iran, which as those government reports stated, have higher state sponsored terrorism.
So we basically went into a country that was low on the radar for terrorism and now that we're there all the other countries that have higher amounts of terrorism are bleeding over into Iraq to help out.
So no we shouldn't be in Iraq we should be in Afghanistan mainly, and we should have been in Iran but that's probably out of the question at this point since we're spread so thin.
[edit on 30-11-2008 by davion]
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by ConservativeJack
What's funny? Your responses and their lack of substance?