Leo so your saying there is no satan ?



And this

{and yes, Mother Nature is wrathful....but it is a part of her evolution. Its how the Earth breaths...through volcanoes, through storms, all of the elements of the earth have a process....its not from Satan, its how the Earth works, just like any other planet.

We see storms on Jupiter, we see volcanoes on other planets....its how they evolve, its a natural process. I dont blame Satan for a hurricane, I accept it as a process that the Earth can not help. Without the process, Earth would not live. Earth recycles herself over and over, Earth replenishes herself, over and over.}

We are nature too ...you should be able to see something in looking at nature ..about God and us ...God created EVERYTHING with a NATURAL ORDER ..including us ...WAR and PEACE ...love and hate ...etc etc .......

Who controls nature though ? I personally believe satan is in charge of those things ...because the word says he is the PRINCE of the POWER of the AIR ...so that would put him in charge of the elements wouldnt it ? But he is limited on what he can do and even he cannot go over the natural order of things ....................he is also at GODS command ...God allows him to reek havoc on us for a reason .and the word (NT) says it is because we are drawn away with LUSTS of the flesh etc and that is why satan has powee over us BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT when we do wickedness .........but God turns it all into good ....at some point ..everything works out for the good ...that I can tell you I KNOW FOR A FACT due to my LIFE and the things that God has done for me and shown me in my own life ....and protected me from ..............I look back and see the reason why everything that happened to me happened ......it is amazing ....and I personally have been through enough that I dont even need for the Lord to tell me WHY anything anymore ...I know he knows what he is doing and why he is doing it the way he is ....

Leo I do not like war either ...But I can tell you this .....I do not believe that my LORD GOD is a murderer ...I do believe there are consequences for mans actions and war is just part of it .....GOD Is just and whatever he has allowed ...it is for a reason .

Originally posted by rattan1
I ask you this: Can there be peace without War?

In the Hindu religion, there was a great war called the Mahabharata in which the God Krishna says that you must fight for your rights...........


Fight for Land? How can we fight for something that is not ours. Who owns land in this world? Does your property die when you die? The only thing you own in this world is your Soul.

People waste their entire life working and dreaming to acquire property and riches which they will never own. The day all Humans will realize this and renounce this material world and greediness then and only then will there be true peace in the world.

I believe that there can be peace without war.

Man becomes prideful and greedy, these are the reasons for war.

It doesn't make it so that God wants it this way OR is awaiting the next big man slaughtering by other men.

If a book is full of blood....where do you think its going to lead people? Most will not see past the blood, so most get hung up that this was what was important, blood and sins and a price to pay.

We are more worthy then this.

Righteous actions do not shed blood. God would not demand such a thing.

Blood of Christ is on our hands, not Gods. We could of excepted Christ and his teachings.

Peace,
LV

The biggest problem I have with the teachings of a special land is that it causes separation. This keeps us from achieving what we are to achieve...UNITY.

To follow the entire Bible as a word of God is misleading man into separation which leads to war. I feel God would not of worked through such ways of chosen ones, especially ones that couldn't even keep commandments.

I see the world is ready to fight for Israel...but all this time, no one is willing to fight for the starving ones in Africa or the mistreated women around the world.

I dont see God as needing a land or a chosen people....I see God as needing all of Thee's light to return through rightous actions that effect the world as a whole.

This is what my spirit says to me. Not a book, not a material or a man. This is why I search all religions and beliefs, because the light and dark can be found in many.

Just thoughts,
LV

Peace becomes war when the 'peaceful' are so completely right that the 'war' lot have to be destroyed. The 'war' lot may just have jerked off onto the ground, but hey.

'Qui vis pacem para bellum' - 'he who seeks peace prepares for war'

LV....after reading your thread, and thanks for asking those thought provoking questions, which we already know the answers to, ....I find that the above quote I have added, should clear things up somewhat, at least it makes sence to me.

One must always be on the ready in their search for and achieving peace to be ready to "fight" for that peace....Peace does not come without work, nor does it come without a price...and sometimes waging Peace can be just as uncomfortable as waging a bloody war.

Christ did teach the peaceful way....but he also, as I see it let it be understood that Peace is not something that comes with a free pass...

~Holly

So am I making war...against war?

Its worth one line...but anyways...