How did 'peace' get turned into 'war'

Leo so your saying there is no satan ?



And this

{and yes, Mother Nature is wrathful....but it is a part of her evolution. Its how the Earth breaths...through volcanoes, through storms, all of the elements of the earth have a process....its not from Satan, its how the Earth works, just like any other planet.

We see storms on Jupiter, we see volcanoes on other planets....its how they evolve, its a natural process. I dont blame Satan for a hurricane, I accept it as a process that the Earth can not help. Without the process, Earth would not live. Earth recycles herself over and over, Earth replenishes herself, over and over.}

We are nature too ...you should be able to see something in looking at nature ..about God and us ...God created EVERYTHING with a NATURAL ORDER ..including us ...WAR and PEACE ...love and hate ...etc etc .......

Who controls nature though ? I personally believe satan is in charge of those things ...because the word says he is the PRINCE of the POWER of the AIR ...so that would put him in charge of the elements wouldnt it ? But he is limited on what he can do and even he cannot go over the natural order of things ....................he is also at GODS command ...God allows him to reek havoc on us for a reason .and the word (NT) says it is because we are drawn away with LUSTS of the flesh etc and that is why satan has powee over us BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT when we do wickedness .........but God turns it all into good ....at some point ..everything works out for the good ...that I can tell you I KNOW FOR A FACT due to my LIFE and the things that God has done for me and shown me in my own life ....and protected me from ..............I look back and see the reason why everything that happened to me happened ......it is amazing ....and I personally have been through enough that I dont even need for the Lord to tell me WHY anything anymore ...I know he knows what he is doing and why he is doing it the way he is ....

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pride and hate come from the material world, which gives man this EGO that they have the right to be prideful and they are better then others so they are allowed to hate.

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The war and hate are mans ways.

I too believe God works in ways that all will be good....but not in this world, this world is a lesson for growth....a world of total goodness will not be a material world, a physical world because physical world have death, hate, pride, and greed. Its the fault of man being full of themselves.

I do no believe Satan brings storms and makes volcano boom....its a natural order of the Earth of how she survives. I except what the Earth must do, I respect how she must evolve. If a massive earthquake hits...its because earth needed this quake to make her continuous changes, not because Satan is forcing her to do it. We always want a blame for bad things...but bad things are a part of this process.

My point was that Gods ways to bring a soul to Thee are not forced, are not our of a prideful teaching, are not out of blood shed and turning thy neighbor against thy neighbor. Gods way is to conquer through love, just as Christ did.

LV

Man did not get born with that in them ..babies do not have hate and anger at birth ....it is a learned thing ..where did the first man learn it ?

Look do some more reading in the word if you really want to know about it all ...it would take me years to explain things to you since you have taken TWO books (Gnostic and whatever) and mixed it with parts of the bible and mixed in some fluffy feely new age thinking with all of that .......now you really do have confusion .....and you will stay confused until you read in context all that explains good and evil and how it came about and its purpose and satan etc etc etc ............you will have to put down any books that contradicts the bible otherwise the bible never will make sense when you mix them all like a pot luck dinner ...it just wont work ......................

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This is why a persons soul is in dangerous territory here on Earth...because the darkness can over come the light if one allows it to. The darkness is the effect from the cause of spirit coming into matter. Just because we see bad things like death that cause sorrow, does not mean we have the right to make war against fellow man. We can choose to be wrathful also, or we can choose to be patient and giving. Just because we see darkness in this world, doesn't give us the excuse to participate in that darkness.

LV

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Simply noon....I have read and re read the Bible. I study it constantly. And yes, I do read gnostic text, as well as study Indian beliefs, Hindu beliefs, Egyptian beliefs....I seek it all, I weigh it all. And Thee is with me through every think I seek and weigh.

You have the right to praise a God of duality, one who hates and loves.

But also, I have the right to praise one that is only righteous.

You praise a God that used to require man to go against Thees own commandments...I praise Thee that never asked such things. I have been led down a path that is undeniable to me...when I praise thee as not being capable of wrath and hate....Thee smiles apone my soul and my spirit soars high with Thee.

I think you should leave that up to God if Im walking the right path or not. But always, your opinions are welcome.

Always a joy Simplynoon, for a passion for God is highly respected by me, even if ones path is different then mine.

My best,
LV

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No, babies do not have hate and anger at birth, children actually are the sparks of purity that we can look at and see....innocence.

But as they grow, and see man in this world and see the separations, prejudices, riches to become prideful....the innocence is lost to most. The material world reflects onto every man....its up to the man to become part of the material things or become a part of the spiritual things.

We see in children, the will to help, the will to love, ect....surely, if there is any nature close to Thee, it is of a child.

LV

Leo I do not like war either ...But I can tell you this .....I do not believe that my LORD GOD is a murderer ...I do believe there are consequences for mans actions and war is just part of it .....GOD Is just and whatever he has allowed ...it is for a reason .

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I too believe there is reason for everything. I too realize we might not be able to understand what 'Just' to God, for God...means.

Peace always,
LV

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Actually, at the Time Christ is said to have been alive, the Jewish Tradition had all but lost it's way. They were all about following the laws down to the letter, but had become a people who used the law against their fellow man and judged others heavily.

Christ's message was that we should love our neighbor. That it shows no merit to love someone you actually agree with, but loving someone that you don't agree with is the true measure of character. Especially in a hugely diverse world such as Israel and Rome were in those days.

Christ also went so far as to say that the law was made for man as a gift, not the other way around. And that if viewed within the context of love and not guilt, the law becomes an enabler and not a stumbling block.

The issue is, that Christianity today is in the same situation that Judaism was in 2000 years ago.

[edit on 1-12-2008 by HunkaHunka]

I can agree with that ....well put ....
Sorry about the one liner ....

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I do agree, and willing to admit Im still working on this, still coming to the humbleness to love all, even the ones that hurt others. By working on it daily, I think it can become a natural thing to do, love all.

LV

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rattan:

Hello to you, I tried to answer you before with trying to quote part of your post back to you and respond to it. I was not successful the first time maybe I will this time. Here goes




I believe if you look further into the Scriptures you will find that we really do not even OWN our souls. They were brought for a price with the atonement of Christ's death.

Peace,
Grandma

I believe that there can be peace without war.

Man becomes prideful and greedy, these are the reasons for war.

It doesn't make it so that God wants it this way OR is awaiting the next big man slaughtering by other men.

If a book is full of blood....where do you think its going to lead people? Most will not see past the blood, so most get hung up that this was what was important, blood and sins and a price to pay.

We are more worthy then this.

Righteous actions do not shed blood. God would not demand such a thing.

Blood of Christ is on our hands, not Gods. We could of excepted Christ and his teachings.

Peace,
LV

The biggest problem I have with the teachings of a special land is that it causes separation. This keeps us from achieving what we are to achieve...UNITY.

To follow the entire Bible as a word of God is misleading man into separation which leads to war. I feel God would not of worked through such ways of chosen ones, especially ones that couldn't even keep commandments.

I see the world is ready to fight for Israel...but all this time, no one is willing to fight for the starving ones in Africa or the mistreated women around the world.

I dont see God as needing a land or a chosen people....I see God as needing all of Thee's light to return through rightous actions that effect the world as a whole.

This is what my spirit says to me. Not a book, not a material or a man. This is why I search all religions and beliefs, because the light and dark can be found in many.

Just thoughts,
LV

Peace becomes war when the 'peaceful' are so completely right that the 'war' lot have to be destroyed. The 'war' lot may just have jerked off onto the ground, but hey.

'Qui vis pacem para bellum' - 'he who seeks peace prepares for war'

LV....after reading your thread, and thanks for asking those thought provoking questions, which we already know the answers to, ....I find that the above quote I have added, should clear things up somewhat, at least it makes sence to me.

One must always be on the ready in their search for and achieving peace to be ready to "fight" for that peace....Peace does not come without work, nor does it come without a price...and sometimes waging Peace can be just as uncomfortable as waging a bloody war.

Christ did teach the peaceful way....but he also, as I see it let it be understood that Peace is not something that comes with a free pass...

~Holly

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Hello Holly,

Very well made point there, simple but true....we learn from war, we learn from death, we learn from hate ect ect....BUT...is there a time for it to stop and for us to evolve? Do you think Christ will come and fight for a one land and lead others against the ones that didn't believe in a blood atonement?

Even though man learns through war and war can help us evolve into a knowing and awareness of how to be better....is this Gods way in the end? Scratch that...what I mean is are we misleading ourselves in thinking that God will come with wrath and damnation....or will the change be so swift like a breeze that comes and goes without this whole nasty pictures the Revelations creates?

I think it will be like a swift breeze, without the whole left over seen of war and revenge. If there is no light in ones soul, it will blow out like a flame, if there is light in ones soul, it will be measured and weighed. It might be whole enough to enter the divine garments or it might have to be a part of the next regeneration.

What if the majority of the world goes to fight for ONE land that is special....and everyone in the end who is still alive notices that nothing has changed and everyone is still searching for God and the end.

Thanks to all that indulged in such a subject without too much judgment on personal opinions. It is much appreciated. Its not like I can walk into a church and talk about this kinda thing.

Peace
LV

So am I making war...against war?

Its worth one line...but anyways...