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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:23 PM by Mav3rick

Originally posted by Solomons
Ok first of all the human body isnt that good at getting nutrients out of foods,so you will get the exact same nutrients from fresh vs cooked vegetables,the rest you will excrete,thats a fact.So if you enjoy eating uncooked veggies good for you,but its no better nutritional wise than cooked vegetables.

I would certainly like to know where you got this fact from? Cooking food DOES reduce the bio availablity of the food we ingest.

reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:26 PM by asmeone2

Well I lovefruits and veggies, and feel better eating them. I say that as I sip my fruit smoothie.

Unfortunately I can't get away with not cooking them. My pollen allergies are *so* bad that if I eat the majority of fruits and vegetables without cooking them first, I'll get an allergic reaction

reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:28 PM by meadowfairy

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Can you outline for us what type of raw foods you eat.. As a guide to the rest of us? I am trying to avoid meat... which I know brings us down vibrationaly...Please make a list of raw foods you indulge in for the rest of us that want to change and better ourselves.

Thanks!

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As cosmic egg says bless your food this is a ritual all raw foodists do aswell.

First thing in the morning depending on my mood: I start with a warm glass of distilled water with lemon. I drink distilled water throughout the day. Even coconut water from drinking coconut and somettimes eat the coconut meat in it. The coconut water is like extra blood plasma similar to beetroots role with blood.
I have a green smoothie, juices, fruit smoothie and/or fruits all the way up till 12pm. I will have as much as i want to eat till im satisfied. I will add any superfoods to my smoothies if i feel like i need the extra nutrition but is not necessary. My superfoods are spirulina or sun is shining superfood which has almost everything in it, goji berries, maca, hemp seed oil for omega 3,6,9, flax seed oil for omega 3, cacao, carob, neoptunia, chia seeds little himalayan salt. Note i do not put all these in but only when i feel like it and it vaires at the time of the day i want to take them.

Blending, juicing, masticating can help break down the cellulose so if you start out best to start out with smoothies and juices.

At lunch time if i dont have a green smoothie i make my self large bowls of green salads 9inch round as much as you would feed your family i eat in one sitting. There are allsorts of amazing recipes on raw salads you can make if you google them. I only use sea salt or himalayan salt. I use apple cidar vinegar as flavouring with olive or hemp or flax seed oil or make my own dressing. I have a handful of nuts and seeds. I also make sphaghetti by spiralizing zucchini eg here www.living-foods.com...

I have almond milk or goats milk for calcium. Kale and green smoothies has calcium and iron. I also eat seaweed for iodine etc.

Somettimes i eat dinner and somettimes i go without or drink juices, another green smoothie or raw snacks or raw dessert if i like. But thats just me. Im not strict raw foodist i would say im about 90% raw.

People just eat the way they want to eat, read books on it or gather information from the free recipes on google. Most eat till satisfied, others eat less etc...

There are different types of raw foodists:
Certain percentage raw foodists which is me between 50-90% raw (these people still eat some cooked meat and/or cooked foods
Vegan/vegetarian raw foodists 100%
Fruitarians who only eat raw fruit and greens like chimpanzees do because we are the closest primate especially with regards to how close our dna matches. 100% category. They are also known as 80-10-10 er's
Paleolithics who eat raw meat and some fruit and veggies which i dont recommend. They know how to treat parasites, so are more experienced and not for the inexperienced. They go out and hunt.

I would say to find out more you will need to google what does nto sound familiar. I started out on authors Leslie Kenton and Natalia Rose. Then Victoria Boutenko green smoothies for added nutrition.

Raw vegetables help my body become flexible as in my bones dont crack i can do yoga and gymnastics type things. Fruit helps give me energy to workout more and keeps my memory steady.

Here is someEsoteric/gnostic websites with info on Essenes and Dead sea scrolls with regards to raw food diet

healingtherapies.info...&SCI.htm www.vegparadise.com... www.hgtv.com...

Hallelujah acres website shows how this diet is linked with the bible if any christians are interested.

This is a raw directory:
www.allrawdirectory.com...

I will keep adding to the post if i remember anything else.

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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:34 PM by meadowfairy

Originally posted by Zepherian
One interesting study to corroborate some of the ideas in this thread would be the average lifespans of herbivores, omnivores and carnivores in nature. A cross species study, organised by animal type and size, would be very intersting and could potentially throw up some pattern to enlighten this subject.

This would be the study on hunzas who live up to an average of 120-130 years. They live up in the Himalayan moutains. Grow their own food and eat it raw and have only tiny bits of meat here and there and sun cook some foods. They are spiritual and peaceful which also contributes to their long lives.

The second longest living are the Okinawans (also spiritual people) well they were before mcdonalds and Americans came to their land. They eat steamed and raw fruit and veggies, rice and fish and live to little over 100.

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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:42 PM by bloodcircle

reply to post by siree

Thank you Siree! I appreciate that, PM or post here - I'm interested!!

reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:49 PM by Kailassa

Originally posted by Zepherian
One interesting study to corroborate some of the ideas in this thread would be the average lifespans of herbivores, omnivores and carnivores in nature. A cross species study, organised by animal type and size, would be very intersting and could potentially throw up some pattern to enlighten this subject.

You really couldn't extrapolate from lifespans of other species to find out what diet best suits humans. The important thing is that each creature gets the food most suited to it, and there is some variation in what bests suits us even amongst humans.

However there have been two large, long-term studies done amongst Seventh Day Adventists that have yielded reasonably definitive results. These compared vegetarian Adventists with omnivore Adventists.

Veg out, live longer

Singh and other epidemiologists analysed long-term data from a group of Adventists who have been monitored for more than 40 years. They also reviewed data from six other studies, including two in Britain and one in Germany. One of the British studies showed a 20 per cent drop in mortality among vegetarians, while the German study suggested an even greater reduction.

Although the British and German data supported the principle of reduced mortality in non-meat-eaters, it was the 7100 people in the Adventist study who were the key to obtaining long-term accurate information from men and women who had been vegetarians for a considerable length of time.

Singh says: “What we have in the Adventists is a group of people who follow the recommendations of their church and who wind up being vegetarian for a long time. That is, enough people with which to make mortality comparisons.” The researchers were also able to distinguish between those who had been vegetarian for more than 20 years, those who had lapsed, and those who were eating little or no meat for a shorter period of time. They found considerable differences in the lifespans of the different groups.

“Survival data indicate that long-term vegetarians do experience a significant 3.6-year survival advantage over short-term vegetarians,” the report said. The average life expectancy of people who had been vegetarian for 20 years or more was 86.5 years, compared with 82.9 for the short-term vegetarians.

www.annecollins.com...
This is the only major ongoing study on the general health and mortality of vegetarians in the U.S. Data was collected from 1976-1988. Of the 34,192 participants, all members of the Seventh-day Adventist church: 29 percent were vegetarian, while 7-10 percent of the vegetarians were vegan. Compared to non-vegetarians the above vegetarians had about:
* 1/2 the high blood pressure and diabetes
* 1/2 the colon cancer
* 2/3 the rheumatoid arthritis and prostate cancer
* Breast, lung, & uterine cancers tended to be lower in vegetarians but could have been due to random chance.

Life expectancies in the Adventist Health Study have recently been published. They show that this group of Seventh-day Adventists appears to be the longest-lived, formally studied population in the world (with an average life span of 78.5 years for men, 82.3 for women).

Despite the indications from these studies that a vegetarian diet is far healthier, I'd add a proviso. Adventists produce good meat substitutes and carefully educate their flock on healthy cooking. They regard their bodies as the temple of God, and healthy eating is part of their religion.

However most of us meat-eaters have no idea how to stay healthy and get the proteins necessary from a vegetarian diet. Thus many careless vegetarians end up with worse health than meat-eaters. So it's a really bad idea to make a huge change in your diet without putting some reserch into it first.

The best way to start changing is not by giving up meat, but by including more vegetables in your diet, and finding ways to make them delicious. Food is fun, food is sharing, food is a sacrament. Changing your diet should be fun too, and done in gentle stages.

Gradually, after learning to enjoy more foods, you can start replacing one meat meal each week with one vegetarian meal.
Just one idea, cashew curry* make a delicious Christmas dish. They'll give vegetarians you invite something special to celebrate with, and make a great garnish with poultry.

*I use whole, raw, soaked cashews, fresh green chillies and a home-made marsala (curry paste).

reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:49 PM by Shar_Chi

I'm with the OP, from personal experience, which is the only way to comprehend what the OP is really talking about. I'm afraid OP, you may as well try explaining physics to chimps. Pythagoras was probably the first figure in western civilisation to realise what you were saying, and he made it central to his mystery school. I believe he originally learnt it from the east.
Good luck with your thread.

reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:58 PM by bloodcircle

Originally posted by Kailassa

Originally posted by blowfishdl
Would you also condone the eating of raw poultry (chickens)?

I have a friend who is a chef and he has eaten raw chicken on several occasions and says it is very good. I have heard of entire families that always do this.

It tastes great, but don't, not unless it's home-grown and you are certain all your chickens are healthy. Don't even cut up other things on or with anything having traces of raw chicken on them. Wash everything with detergent immediately or you can end up with all sorts of foods getting infected. Chicken is notorious for harbouring salmonella.

Really? Raw chook is nice? It must be in the preparation because I've chomped into a chicken drumstick onyl to find it still less than cooked inside and the texture alone is off putting.

I have never heard of raw chicken - even the chicken sushi (lol I know) they sell at the local food hall involves cooked chicken.

I have heard of raw red meat before.

reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:59 PM by meadowfairy

Originally posted by Shar_Chi
I'm with the OP, from personal experience, which is the only way to comprehend what the OP is really talking about. I'm afraid OP, you may as well try explaining physics to chimps. Pythagoras was probably the first figure in western civilisation to realise what you were saying, and he made it central to his mystery school. I believe he originally learnt it from the east.
Good luck with your thread.

Yes pythagoras ate raw food and vegetables and was vegetarian. Dont know how i missed that one. He did try to explain like im trying to explain that this is probably the highest type of diet for human beings out there. People cannot connect because we have grown up to believe what we eat today is normal and its kind of brainwashed into us so i understgand i wont be able to convince anyone on this board unless they try it out for a couple of months themselves. I have gained wisdom form eating this way and its hard for me to put it down on paper.

reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 12:16 AM by HypnoAsp

Originally posted by meadowfairy ...The importance of a Raw Food and Pure Water Diet

What, what, what? Aside from sodas and drinks containing preservatives & too much processed sugar (also derived from your plants by the way) the plant matter you are so harping on contain the very same ingredients found in other beverages. Your pure water theory is very hypocritical to entertain. If you are referring to the purity of the drinking water, I would have to retort that pure water is rarely found in nature & has been mostly unobtainable to us until recent times.

Part of the process includes a natural inclination towards purification and diversifying the diet and liquid consumption of a diet.

Pure water, diversify our liquids which side of the fence are we discussing here?

Food enzymes are very important just as vitamins are to a persons health and wellbeing plus ability to transposing ethereal vitality into the physical world.

An enzyme is a bio molecule that increases the rate of a chemical reaction for the benefit of the organism of which it is found. We do not need a carrots enzyme which aids in photo synthesis. Even if we did an enzyme which we consume is simply digested. As with anything else we digest it is broken down into it's protein, vitamin & mineral content. If such contains any relevant amount it is already listed in the nutritional content at your local supermarket. Only enzymes that aide in digestion before they are digested benefit us upon consumption such as papaya. Enzymes injected into specific organs might be a gratifying discussion, however.

Raw food is food that is so fresh, it is uncooked and still has the life force reverberating within it during the time it is eaten; in its raw state.

I am not a vamperic being, I do not need to suck the life force out of any organism to sustain mine. I need protein, vitamins and minerals. Not life force, my little Claudia. I bet my bag of testis, this is not the secret of the universe.

prior to harvesting, tendering it some respect by literally asking for its permission to be eaten

Oh divine carrot please grant me your permission to destroy your very being and consume your life force. Thats very convenient considering the carrot can't reply. Aside from fruiting bodies every other part of a plant is designed to not get eaten and make it through evolution. Since we began as hunter/gatherers how in the world could Betty & Bam Bam beg the apple bearing pitcher plant permission to be eaten after Barney walked days to bring it back? Heck back then, if they were granted such an opportunity, that pitcher plant just may have eaten them. Nope, not a clue to secrete of the universe.

humans discovered the benefits of how cooking food made unpalatable items edible by tasting better and even certain foods kept in storage longer for later use

Sigh, surely there are books in your meadow fairy? Cooking began with meats, it had to do with better nutritional absorption and made the meat more digestible. It also made the food portable and added "shelf life". It killed parasites & germs and actually contributed to our longer life spans and gave us an evolutionary leap. Since the meat was on the fire why not see what happened when one throws the veggies on. It had absolutely nothing to do with taste. Had we not cooked we may not have survived long enough to go through your "shifting consciousness" which is quite a paradox now isn't it

I always wondered about animals 6th sense and why its so natural to them but lost throughout the centuries with humans. When you observe animals from the wild they only eat from what nature provides.

Riddle me this. When was the last time a wild bear or deer warned you of an incoming tsunami? As far as I am aware this behavior has been noticed in domesticated farm and pet animals more often. You know what they eat? Purina.

Forgot to mention that yes i have had wonderful experiences whilst eating uncooked food

Might be fermented drunkenness (joking)

To put it lightly your inner being changes and you glow

Might be Jaundice....{ok, ok couldn't help myself)

Certain raw foods are fine, cooking is not Satan's tool. The oldest woman in the world died recently. Most of what she stated she ate were cooked foods, just in small amounts. Do not swallow other's ideas before thinking, questioning and researching a little. Then we will be good. I envy your passion.

~Hyp

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reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 12:19 AM by mmariebored

reply to post by meadowfairy

Awesome thread, very well thought out.
Thank you for posting this.

reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 12:52 AM by meadowfairy

Originally posted by mmariebored
reply to post by meadowfairy

Awesome thread, very well thought out.
Thank you for posting this.

Thankyou mmarie im glad you have seen the positives in my posts.

reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 01:03 AM by meadowfairy

Hypnoasp i would like to quote your post but it is too long so here i go.

First of all the first paragraphs are not mine but from the website and i dont feel like i need to answer because they are not my thoughts. You can go straight to the source and email them your concerns if you like by clicking on the website provided. I dont mean this in a harsh way but maybe they have more to tell you then i can.

I always wondered about animals 6th sense and why its so natural to them but lost throughout the centuries with humans. When you observe animals from the wild they only eat from what nature provides.

Riddle me this. When was the last time a wild bear or deer warned you of an incoming tsunami? As far as I am aware this behavior has been noticed in domesticated farm and pet animals more often. You know what they eat? Purina.

I will have to differ on this approach, when the Indonesian tsunami happened it was the wild animals who all left and domesticated animals followed suit. Domesticated have not lost their 6th sense and actually if you observe alot of them eat grass too. Maybe they need their daily dose of chlorophyll. Domesticated animals also die from the same diseases humans do. I wonder why maybe because humans give them some off their cooked food.

Forgot to mention that yes i have had wonderful experiences whilst eating uncooked food

Might be fermented drunkenness (joking)

Actually i healed alot off my illness and you have a natural high but not intoxicating like drugs. Might this be the natural high most people seek but instead turn to drugs?

To put it lightly your inner being changes and you glow

Might be Jaundice....{ok, ok couldn't help myself)

or it might be good health and well being.

Certain raw foods are fine, cooking is not Satan's tool. The oldest woman in the world died recently. Most of what she stated she ate were cooked foods, just in small amounts. Do not swallow other's ideas before thinking, questioning and researching a little. Then we will be good. I envy your passion.

Yes eating small meals also contributes to a long life and there is study on this too. I agree nothing wrong with eating a little cooked food. Im 90% raw. Nothing wrong with eating guilty foods on christmas. Nothing worng with heating food in winter and making warm soups.

I have researched, questioned and experienced. My experience of it speaks louder then what some sponsored study by its own company tells me.

But im sure chips, chocolate, icecream is what the flinstones should have ate as it was readily available.

Blessings to you on your success with food!

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reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 01:33 AM by Jb0311NY

Great stuff!!!
I decided to go out and bond with nature!
I wanted to eat some grass, nut the pesticides on everything make it taste bad
I settled with some pine cones, and my body started to awake naturally !!!
First my head started buzzing around, could have been the bee's attracted to the pine smell I guess, but when my stomach churned in delight I knew change was here!

Tonight while trying to pass the pine cones I saw the realest change of all. The expansion of my mind (as well as other "parts") was painfull at first, but oh man!!! Nothing like the life changing experience of giving birth to something that originated in nature!!!

TO PINE CONES!!!

reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 01:35 AM by meadowfairy

Originally posted by Jb0311NY
Great stuff!!!
I decided to go out and bond with nature!
I wanted to eat some grass, nut the pesticides on everything make it taste bad
I settled with some pine cones, and my body started to awake naturally !!!
First my head started buzzing around, could have been the bee's attracted to the pine smell I guess, but when my stomach churned in delight I knew change was here!

Tonight while trying to pass the pine cones I saw the realest change of all. The expansion of my mind (as well as other "parts") was painfull at first, but oh man!!! Nothing like the life changing experience of giving birth to something that originated in nature!!!

TO PINE CONES!!!

Luckily you did not sit on the pine cone might have been an out of this world experience.

Oh its just my dodgy humour and revere psychology for all you nature loving freaks. Dont you know the tv tells you everything about life.

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reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 02:44 AM by MaelMan82

This is where the basis off enzymes and hydrochloric acid comes in. You can get you stomach working simply by eating green leafy vegetables. Enzymes is pretty much controversial and there is for and against in regards to the studies of enzymes from raw produce.
Victoria Boutenko who describes obtaining hydrochloric acid from green leafy veggies and drinking green smoothies will help get your stomach absorbing the nutrients you need.
Basically eating and rotating a variety of leafy greens especially wheatgrass can help bring about proper digestive balance, the ratio of acids in your stomach and making your blood highly alkaline.
What we dont realise is that what we think is unobtainable from nature has always been provided to us by nature. Anythign we think there is no cure for ther eis its jsut been supressed by mainstream. This is whole different subject alltogether and one that i dont like to get into. Seemingly because we are so driven for others to teach us the right way.

wow very well said man

reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 03:25 AM by Jb0311NY

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Your so right!
I'm glad that I didn't sit on a pine cone too! The USMC kinda made that area tender with the regimen of "ahem" proding I was subjected too...

If we cannot have humor we are not free, and I support any Idea that doesn't derrive from being a parasitic or profitable adgenda. Hope that made sense.

My family has been Vegan's for over 10 years and we juice and grow and actually lease a organic plot from the town and we share our delicious natural food with anyone looking for a mind altering experience.
I still eat processed meats and goods mostly because enjoyment of taste, and simplicity in caloric efficency. I can't spell that should prove the USMC part...

We are at a turning point for being, conciousness, and love. May we learn from mistakes finally, may we be able to share my stupid joke's on a level that does not promote anything but openmindedness (thats a word right?)

Diet and exersise are the cornerstone of enlightenment, followed by meditation, and personal sacrafice.

Thanks for your hard work Fairy!! I may sound like the TV taught me how to read/write, but I do appreciate your honesty!

reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 03:43 AM by unnamedninja

I recommend eating raw veg to everyone, not for spiritual reasons, and you certainly shouldn't ask that carrot permission before you eat it. But raw veg has great anti acidifying properties. If you get acid indigestion regularly there is a good chance your blood is also over acidic, this is bad news for all your vital organs. Eating raw veg is a good immediate way of beating acid indigestion, and a long term cure for acidosis (acidic blood)

reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 03:48 AM by meadowfairy

Originally posted by Jb0311NY
reply to post by meadowfairy

Your so right!
I'm glad that I didn't sit on a pine cone too! The USMC kinda made that area tender with the regimen of "ahem" proding I was subjected too...

If we cannot have humor we are not free, and I support any Idea that doesn't derrive from being a parasitic or profitable adgenda. Hope that made sense.

My family has been Vegan's for over 10 years and we juice and grow and actually lease a organic plot from the town and we share our delicious natural food with anyone looking for a mind altering experience.
I still eat processed meats and goods mostly because enjoyment of taste, and simplicity in caloric efficency. I can't spell that should prove the USMC part...

We are at a turning point for being, conciousness, and love. May we learn from mistakes finally, may we be able to share my stupid joke's on a level that does not promote anything but openmindedness (thats a word right?)

Diet and exersise are the cornerstone of enlightenment, followed by meditation, and personal sacrafice.

Thanks for your hard work Fairy!! I may sound like the TV taught me how to read/write, but I do appreciate your honesty!

Sorry if i came across as not understanding your humour and no we need alot more laughter in our life but somettimes i dont see the logic behind being a smart aleck if i may say and it was tongue and cheek as opposed to what you said.

As you explained, your family has had experience with eating this way. I also agree and have said spiritual practice and exercise and getting out more often in nature has a role to play also. Im speaking off raw as an internal help in the shift off conciousness in helping to connect with our surroundings. It can help with awakening.
Please read over all my posts i too still eat some cooked meat, im 90% raw.

I do not push the idea that people should be vegetarian or vegan. Somettimes if they go on the raw diet their own bodies tell them if they need it or not anyway. This has been the case many times. It is only that the vegan rawfoodists have taken a strong hold on the idea we have to be 100% vegan and raw but its not true.

reply posted on 1-12-2008 @ 03:51 AM by meadowfairy

Originally posted by unnamedninja
I recommend eating raw veg to everyone, not for spiritual reasons, and you certainly shouldn't ask that carrot permission before you eat it. But raw veg has great anti acidifying properties. If you get acid indigestion regularly there is a good chance your blood is also over acidic, this is bad news for all your vital organs. Eating raw veg is a good immediate way of beating acid indigestion, and a long term cure for acidosis (acidic blood)

For sure ninja. I would just like to explain raw on its own as a good way to eat but could not find a topic for it so then posted the spiritual aspects of it. It is very alkalising for the body and blood.