reply to post by Taskism
If God is "inherently beyond all things", and when "Any human attribute on God is preposterous" that cancels out the whole concept of love as
well. Love is no less a human emotion than vengefulness, jealousy and hate.
Beyond all things and also within them. I would say Love is the only realest thing we experience aside from Spiritual enlightenment. But the Love that
unenlightened people experience is like a light bulb compared to the sun that is (God is Love) and even that metaphor pales.
One thing I don't get about religion, is that how some people, such as yourself, and certain denominations is that they can have faith in a God that
was created in the Old testament, expanded on in the New Testament and then deny the OT origins of the whole thing and write them off as
"delusional." Without that dilusion, the NT and all of its ideas would never have come into existence.
Faith is for beginners. When you experience God and enlightenment, you go from faith, to knowing. I'll let others have their faith and rest pure
direct experience and knowing.
When Jesus came, he had to speak within the reference of OT because thats the only thing that was around then. If he came to Tibet, he would be
speaking within reference of buddhists texts. It's relative. Besides when Jesus comes, he completely changes everything from OT to NT style. Quite
simple. EVen if there was no OT, Jesus could still have showed up, preached, and whole movement would have started around him.
I don't see it as blasphemous or anything, just hypocritical and completely illogical.
That's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions and views.
It says very clearly in the bible in 1 Corinthians 2:5 "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."
That's because the wisdom of men is foolish, and the wisdom of men looks down on blind faith. Standing on the power of God, is like I said, direct
knowing and experience. At that instant, you have no choice in the matter as far as having faith or not. It just become automatic knowing like
from your desert father Paul that you stand by. So how is it that your manly wisdom leads you to believe that the God that Jesus himself claimed to be
the son of is nothing but dilusion?
Because if Jesus came out and said the OT is a crock, nobody would have taken him seriously. It was just better to leave that alone knowing the he
would have a hard time as it is with all the changes and new teachings.
OT uses God labels such as Yahweh and Elohim, but the NT and Jesus never does. OT god has all these human characteristics, whereas NT God's
characteristics are all mystical and transcendent.
Just look up Marcion who was a persuasive intellectual theologian bishop who came out and said that the Bible should completely get rid of the OT. Of
course he was ex-communicated for it, but it has to make you think what was this guy thinking. Somebody so smart and so powerful in influence to come
out against the status quo and pronounce that the OT God is not the same as the NT. He was not alone. Had many followers and other gnostic groups
composing thousands if not hundreds of thousands felt the same about the OT.
Jesus just intertwined himself with the OT to make it a gradual shift to avoid shell shock. I myself thought it blasphemous when 1st hearing this
theory, but gradually it all dawned on me little by little that it is this way.
And in order for the sacrifice of Jesus to actually have any relevance to anything at all, you have to accept that God is blood thirsty, and that he
forgives sin through sacrifices of blood.
That's 1 view of it. The other view is that Jesus could have been so fed up with all the sacrificing of our innocent little fury friends, that he
finally decided to do something about it, by sacrificing himself once and for all so the Jews stop with all the killing of animals.
Or we can view it as him juts being killed just like Gandhi and other enlightened masters who were killed because egos couldn't understand what was
being said and so they divided, conquered, and killed.
There are many various angles of this. I personally don't think God is blood thirsty, when God is within all people, blood, thirst, animals,
Plus we have other "spiritual paths" also reporting similar enlightenments that Christians have, except without ever having anything to do with
If you cant accept that God only forgives through the giving of blood, how can you think that Jesus’ blood being spilt meant anything at all?
I hear where you are coming from. Just Love God with all your heart, thats the most important commandment. That, meditation, prayer, and seeking God
will give you enlightenment. If you can't resolve within yourself all the blood/sacrifices then its o.k. to just leave it as a gray area to be
unvieled at a later time and continue your spiritual pursuits.
Thank you for the information about The Great Schism of 1054. It isn't something I am familiar with yet, and I will check it out so I don't make a
fool of myself in the future
No prob. If you get a chance, check out Marcion, Meister Eckhart, Teresa of Avila, and the Cloud of Unknowing. All in the same vein to funnel you
through all the bullsh** semantics