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posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Did you read the OP article?

Yes. And I was actually going to make a post that this thread was - once again - boiling down to a dang birth certificate, which wouldn't be the topic.

The OP basically said that Obama left no footprint. That there isn't a real record of him for the general public to see. I disagree. And I also disagree that we need to see parental marriage certificates and baptismal certificates. Those are private.

The birth certificate iis another story and it is not 'private business' in regards to filling the position of POTUS.

The passport is private - but I can understand why people want to know what the poltiicians have been up to. Considering that they are liars and traveled on taxpayer money. It would be understandable to try to do an investigation of politicians traveling on tax payer money to foreign countries etc etc ... if some illegalities were suspected. But as of right now, there doesn't seem to be any.




posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
well it's good to know that you and your fellow cohorts are the only ones that have actually checked on obama, and the rest of the nation has not. you must feel very special to be the only ones that know the truth. so i can see why you would want all the rest of us to march on washington and declare this election invalid. GOOD JOB, AND THANKS ALOT!!


First of all, I'm an Obama supporter. Secondly, I've written extensively on why I think Obama is a "natural born" citizen (and John McCain is not).

And thirdly, where did I say that election should be declared invalid?

All I asked for is for some agency or someone in an agency in charge to check each candidate's eligibility before an election takes place. You're against common sense now?

For the argument I raised in my last post it doesn't matter that "my guy" won or lost, or if Obama is a "natural born" citizen or not - this is something that should have been checked before the election, no matter what!


edit: fixed link.



[edit on 30-11-2008 by danx]



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 04:43 PM
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all right, all right...

I understand the apprenhension about his character, and the gravity of this accusation. It's downright scary. But as rational thinking individuals we have to look at the unbiased fact checking (I hope!), and see this stuff has already been addressed, in part if not in whole:

www.snopes.com...

this addresses a lot of issues and rumors. Maybe not all of them, but it does seperate a lot of the wheat from the chafe.

Hope this helps the truth seekers!




posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:15 PM
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The potential for me to be completely wrong exists. I hope it prevails.

The non-polarized types will understand that I don't even WANT to be accurate.....I would love to wish this stuff away, a paranoid over-protective mother's worst case scenerio

The last few months of my life have been a foray into completely unbelievable, uncharted waters.

If you do not believe, then research the MK-Ullta Programe. I would never ever have believed that this could occur in my wildest nightmares.

Yet the governments involved have not only admitted, but apologized for such things.

This messes with your reality and what is possible within.

Nothing is sacred. Watch your back.



[edit on 30-11-2008 by Tinkabit]



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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he is a puppet anyway. the guy with the past known only by his creators is the best one to keep control over.

and the times are going to be crucial now so they need to have a real trusted guys on the line.

or they are looking for the chance to state a martial law. we will see when the supreme court will make their decision about the validity of the Obama as the president.

but I belive that they are still not ready with the bank deals (thay have to get the next bailouts and change the money on the properties, gold or something valuable after the total financial collapse of the world major currencis) so they have to postponed the whole thing until spring next year. and Obama will be a president than.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by hellskitchen

I mean....we have the certificate but that is not good enough...




Perhaps someone can clarify this for me. On the Certificate of Live Birth I've seen on Obama: there is no doctor's signature, no witness signature, no Registrar signature... So.. when did they start requiring those things on modern Birth Certificates??

Another thing that bugs me about it is how well those watermarks actually scanned in... This document looks pretty good for 50 years old!

I'm not saying we should buy into the conspiracies quite yet. Let this guy have a chance, and before we proclaim he's the Antichrist or anything let's wait to see if he dies and comes back like Revelations says the Antichrist will, lol!

Until then, don't crucify him!



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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The strangest part of all of this controversy is the fact Obama does not eliminate it from his life by showing the world his real Birth Certificate. The one that shows who delivered him and where.

I personally think this is going to turn out to be nothing, but people do have the right to ask. The requirements in the Constitution are clear and to say those who run for office should not have to prove they meet the Constitutional requirements to hold an office is a bit odd. Even odder is the fact that people on ATS think Obama should be given a pass on this?

Someone earlier mentioned we do not know if he has proved eligibility or not. If he has, it would then be available under the FOIA. If he has proved it then somebody is violating the FOIA by not releasing it are they not?

Think about this for a moment. We the People do not have the right to know if our President meets the Constitutional requirements to hold his office? How bizarre is that?

Could it be that some Obama supporters are so mesmerized by him they don't want to know? Could it be they are scared it might be true?

This reminds me of the PC, Mac debate where the Mac crowd continued to use inferior, slow computers just because they did not want to admit the Mac had been bested. The Mac had become such a status symbol that its users were addicted to it and defended it even though it was a slow dinosaur (not referring to the latest state of the Mac, but the last decade).

Obama supporters are so addicted that even if he turned out to not be eligible to be President, they don't want to know or care if he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I don't think this will last for long. He is already moving to the Right and his appointments prove that he lied to get elected. He has already abandoned the tax increase on the rich. In fact had he told the truth about who he would appoint and that he would be a Centrist while in office, I would have voted for him.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:42 PM
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Im not against the guy..and i believe he should be given a chance.

What scares me is that fact that no one really knows much about the guy.I mean even if i go to work at Mc Donalds they still check some kind of background info on me...but for Obama we only have 6 quiet months in the Senate and a certificate or live birth .Many can be very good with words but the real deal is to be good with actions and he did not take any initiative into the Senate or did anything in his past to prove his efficiency.

I mean here is a guy with unknown history and weird friends becoming the president of one of the top countries in the world.

Obama spent over 500,000 dollars to refurbish his 757 campaign jet, as part of this new design he removed the American flag from the tail...who would do that especialy if you run for presidency.

I just hope this is just nonsense and hes actually a good guy who'll put this country back standing and running. I really do. If not..grab a hat , dig a hole and hang on.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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When will these posts stop?



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by jcheney

Perhaps someone can clarify this for me. On the Certificate of Live Birth I've seen on Obama: there is no doctor's signature, no witness signature, no Registrar signature... So.. when did they start requiring those things on modern Birth Certificates??


That is not a Birth Certificate. It is a Certificate of Live Birth. Apparently Hawaii issues both. The Birth Certificate which shows who delivered him, where born and what you are looking for so far has not been provided. For some reason Obama refuses to show it and that is what this controversy is all about. People can not figure out why he refuses to show it. He won't even reveal which Hospital he was born in.

Part of the problem is that if he were born elsewhere, his mother could have gotten a Certificate of Live Birth after the fact, no matter where he was born. That is how Hawaii chose to do things.

If he provided his real Birth Certificate it would be all over. He apparently will not provide it so this will go on as long as he is in office. I predict a thread a week or more if he continues to refuse to prove his place of birth. The giant question is of course, why is he not providing it? What purpose does it serve to not provide it? What harm would it do to provide it?



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:45 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by ravenshadow13
When will these posts stop?




When he provides his Birth Certificate. That is all people are asking for and he refuses to do it.

In your opinion, why does he refuse to provide the Birth Certificate that shows where he was born? Any reason you can come up with that makes sense?



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
The strangest part of all of this controversy is the fact Obama does not eliminate it from his life by showing the world his real Birth Certificate. The one that shows who delivered him and where.


No one, has legally, asked him to.

For example, Leo Donofrio, who has a lawsuit regarding this matter, even acknowledges this on his Application to the Supreme Court:

As regarding the issues surrounding Senator Obama's birth certificate, and if it may please this Honorable Court, I would point out that Senator Obama has not been presented with a genuine legal request from a party with proper standing to command him in any way, and therefore he has no legal responsibility to submit or to bend his integrity. And for that, he certainly deserves respect.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 05:56 PM
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The man doesn't even salute the flag or wear a pin, hes possibly a communist. But that word has so much negativity that follows it people don't even stop to consider it.

Prove to me he was a lawyer, give me the cases he was in?

There is a lot of time and money unaccounted for to do with mr obama. He has been carefully selected and groomed, more than Palin!

And finally everyone can agree his views are very socialist, he wants a certain percentage, the richest Americans, who earned their money to pay more taxes to help those that did not earn as much. He wants to spread the wealth, that is socialist and no one can deny that. Ignorance is what embodies America.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 06:01 PM
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I believe natural birth is easier than reading through this entire thread.

Can't wait for all the political crap throwers to resume their normal activities so the reg's will begin posting again, and some common sense will once again show up in many more of the future postings.

To the Bush bashers of the last 8 years, just remember, "what goes around, comes around" Make sure you are properly outfitted for what is coming your way. I recommend shower shoes, poncho liner, and a steel pot, no liner. You deserve what you have coming your way.

And to all the Obama supporters/voters, I just wonder why you supported a candidate that tells you, up front that he's is going to make decisions early in his adminstration that the people will not like or object to, but may be understood later down the road, maybe.


Very unusual political move. Everyone should be suspicious, especially what may lie ahead of us regarding an economic collapse, possible terrorist attacks, or anything TPTB determine serious enough to declare Martial Law. You folks just gave this "gentleman" a blank check to do as TPTB please and the payment for that check will be taken from the "hide" of every American.

I've been following politics since the Democratic Convention of 1956 and I must tell all of you, this is the first time I have have heard a "gentleman" running for President who comes right out and tells the American people he's going to do us dirty. And not one of his supporters or the MSM (from what I could see) had any objections and the comments were quickly lost in the campaign. You fine folks have just given an unknown politician, under the control of Brzezinski and Soros, a blank check to hose the American people. Bravo!!!!


Now to me, anyone running for President who comes out and tells us that he's gonna put the shaft to us, is a very unusual thing and this politician should be avoided at all costs. Since the public did not complain or question, and the "plan" is implemented, don't come to ATS and whine and cry about how you were fooled. We voiced our opinions, but you called us fools, morons, and idiots.

Only time will tell who's who in the zoo!!









[edit on 30-11-2008 by Oldnslo]



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 06:11 PM
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reply to post by danx
 


That seems just amazing to me. I can't get a Passport without showing those documents, but I could become President without showing any proof? How bizarre.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Did you read the OP article?

Yes. And I was actually going to make a post that this thread was - once again - boiling down to a dang birth certificate, which wouldn't be the topic.

The OP basically said that Obama left no footprint. That there isn't a real record of him for the general public to see. I disagree. And I also disagree that we need to see parental marriage certificates and baptismal certificates. Those are private.

The birth certificate iis another story and it is not 'private business' in regards to filling the position of POTUS.

The passport is private - but I can understand why people want to know what the poltiicians have been up to. Considering that they are liars and traveled on taxpayer money. It would be understandable to try to do an investigation of politicians traveling on tax payer money to foreign countries etc etc ... if some illegalities were suspected. But as of right now, there doesn't seem to be any.



I'd just like to say that I appreciate that you're discriminating in your criteria. I think that's more reasonable than a lot of what I've heard from many voicing concern that Obama is not a legitimate candidate for POTUS and I respect the difference. That being said, one thing that's always occurred to me is: why are people so certain this vetting hasn't been done? The decision to not address this under the spectacle glare of the media doesn't necessarily mean that it hasn't been dealt with in private. I suspect that a number of organizations have indeed investigated his pedigree to ensure there aren't problems with the legality of his occupying the office he was elected to. If I were in Obama's shoes, I'd probably not spend a lot of time addressing this in the media unless there was a very compelling reason to, and I have to say (with no offense being meant) that these concerns are all rather fringe from my perspective.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by unknown known

And finally everyone can agree his views are very socialist, he wants a certain percentage, the richest Americans, who earned their money to pay more taxes to help those that did not earn as much. He wants to spread the wealth, that is socialist and no one can deny that. Ignorance is what embodies America.


You are behind a bit. He already abandoned that. He also is appointing people who are Moderates and not the presumed Far Left of the Party. He used Class Warfare to get elected just as Clinton did and then immediately showed he did not mean it.



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by danx
 


That seems just amazing to me. I can't get a Passport without showing those documents, but I could become President without showing any proof? How bizarre.


Of course you can't. None of us can. We aren't Mr Obama.


[edit on 30-11-2008 by Fatality]



posted on Nov, 30 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
That seems just amazing to me. I can't get a Passport without showing those documents, but I could become President without showing any proof? How bizarre.


Yes, it amazes me too that people running for Office don't have to go through some process to determine if they are eligible or not, before the election.

But there's something else you have to consider: Obama already has a passport. So he had present the proper documentation to get one, I would assume.





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