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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 04:35 PM by danx
Originally posted by jimmyx
well it's good to know that you and your fellow cohorts are the only ones that have actually checked on obama, and the rest of the nation has not. you must feel very special to be the only ones that know the truth. so i can see why you would want all the rest of us to march on washington and declare this election invalid. GOOD JOB, AND THANKS ALOT!!


First of all, I'm an Obama supporter. Secondly, I've
written extensively on why I think Obama is a "natural born" citizen (and John McCain is not).

And thirdly, where did I say that election should be declared invalid?

All I asked for is for some agency or someone in an agency in charge to check each candidate's eligibility before an election takes place. You're against common sense now?

For the argument I raised in my last post it doesn't matter that "my guy" won or lost, or if Obama is a "natural born" citizen or not - this is something that should have been checked before the election, no matter what!


edit: fixed link.



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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 05:31 PM by jcheney
Originally posted by hellskitchen

I mean....we have the certificate but that is not good enough...




Perhaps someone can clarify this for me. On the Certificate of Live Birth I've seen on Obama: there is no doctor's signature, no witness signature, no Registrar signature... So.. when did they start requiring those things on modern Birth Certificates??

Another thing that bugs me about it is how well those watermarks actually scanned in... This document looks pretty good for 50 years old!

I'm not saying we should buy into the conspiracies quite yet. Let this guy have a chance, and before we proclaim he's the Antichrist or anything let's wait to see if he dies and comes back like Revelations says the Antichrist will, lol!

Until then, don't crucify him!


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 05:34 PM by Blaine91555
The strangest part of all of this controversy is the fact Obama does not eliminate it from his life by showing the world his real Birth Certificate. The one that shows who delivered him and where.

I personally think this is going to turn out to be nothing, but people do have the right to ask. The requirements in the Constitution are clear and to say those who run for office should not have to prove they meet the Constitutional requirements to hold an office is a bit odd. Even odder is the fact that people on ATS think Obama should be given a pass on this?

Someone earlier mentioned we do not know if he has proved eligibility or not. If he has, it would then be available under the FOIA. If he has proved it then somebody is violating the FOIA by not releasing it are they not?

Think about this for a moment. We the People do not have the right to know if our President meets the Constitutional requirements to hold his office? How bizarre is that?

Could it be that some Obama supporters are so mesmerized by him they don't want to know? Could it be they are scared it might be true?

This reminds me of the PC, Mac debate where the Mac crowd continued to use inferior, slow computers just because they did not want to admit the Mac had been bested. The Mac had become such a status symbol that its users were addicted to it and defended it even though it was a slow dinosaur (not referring to the latest state of the Mac, but the last decade).

Obama supporters are so addicted that even if he turned out to not be eligible to be President, they don't want to know or care if he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

I don't think this will last for long. He is already moving to the Right and his appointments prove that he lied to get elected. He has already abandoned the tax increase on the rich. In fact had he told the truth about who he would appoint and that he would be a Centrist while in office, I would have voted for him.


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 05:55 PM by danx
Originally posted by Blaine91555
The strangest part of all of this controversy is the fact Obama does not eliminate it from his life by showing the world his real Birth Certificate. The one that shows who delivered him and where.


No one, has legally, asked him to.

For example, Leo Donofrio, who has a lawsuit regarding this matter, even acknowledges this on his
Application to the Supreme Court:
As regarding the issues surrounding Senator Obama's birth certificate, and if it may please this Honorable Court, I would point out that Senator Obama has not been presented with a genuine legal request from a party with proper standing to command him in any way, and therefore he has no legal responsibility to submit or to bend his integrity. And for that, he certainly deserves respect.



reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 06:01 PM by Oldnslo
I believe natural birth is easier than reading through this entire thread.

Can't wait for all the political crap throwers to resume their normal activities so the reg's will begin posting again, and some common sense will once again show up in many more of the future postings.

To the Bush bashers of the last 8 years, just remember, "what goes around, comes around" Make sure you are properly outfitted for what is coming your way. I recommend shower shoes, poncho liner, and a steel pot, no liner. You deserve what you have coming your way.

And to all the Obama supporters/voters, I just wonder why you supported a candidate that tells you, up front that he's is going to make decisions early in his adminstration that the people will not like or object to, but may be understood later down the road, maybe.

Very unusual political move. Everyone should be suspicious, especially what may lie ahead of us regarding an economic collapse, possible terrorist attacks, or anything TPTB determine serious enough to declare Martial Law. You folks just gave this "gentleman" a blank check to do as TPTB please and the payment for that check will be taken from the "hide" of every American.

I've been following politics since the Democratic Convention of 1956 and I must tell all of you, this is the first time I have have heard a "gentleman" running for President who comes right out and tells the American people he's going to do us dirty. And not one of his supporters or the MSM (from what I could see) had any objections and the comments were quickly lost in the campaign. You fine folks have just given an unknown politician, under the control of Brzezinski and Soros, a blank check to hose the American people. Bravo!!!!

Now to me, anyone running for President who comes out and tells us that he's gonna put the shaft to us, is a very unusual thing and this politician should be avoided at all costs. Since the public did not complain or question, and the "plan" is implemented, don't come to ATS and whine and cry about how you were fooled. We voiced our opinions, but you called us fools, morons, and idiots.

Only time will tell who's who in the zoo!!









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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 06:11 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by danx



That seems just amazing to me. I can't get a Passport without showing those documents, but I could become President without showing any proof? How bizarre.


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 06:12 PM by JohnnyElohim
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Did you read the OP article?

Yes. And I was actually going to make a post that this thread was - once again - boiling down to a dang birth certificate, which wouldn't be the topic.

The OP basically said that Obama left no footprint. That there isn't a real record of him for the general public to see. I disagree. And I also disagree that we need to see parental marriage certificates and baptismal certificates. Those are private.

The birth certificate iis another story and it is not 'private business' in regards to filling the position of POTUS.

The passport is private - but I can understand why people want to know what the poltiicians have been up to. Considering that they are liars and traveled on taxpayer money. It would be understandable to try to do an investigation of politicians traveling on tax payer money to foreign countries etc etc ... if some illegalities were suspected. But as of right now, there doesn't seem to be any.



I'd just like to say that I appreciate that you're discriminating in your criteria. I think that's more reasonable than a lot of what I've heard from many voicing concern that Obama is not a legitimate candidate for POTUS and I respect the difference. That being said, one thing that's always occurred to me is: why are people so certain this vetting hasn't been done? The decision to not address this under the spectacle glare of the media doesn't necessarily mean that it hasn't been dealt with in private. I suspect that a number of organizations have indeed investigated his pedigree to ensure there aren't problems with the legality of his occupying the office he was elected to. If I were in Obama's shoes, I'd probably not spend a lot of time addressing this in the media unless there was a very compelling reason to, and I have to say (with no offense being meant) that these concerns are all rather fringe from my perspective.


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 06:15 PM by Fatality
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to
post by danx



That seems just amazing to me. I can't get a Passport without showing those documents, but I could become President without showing any proof? How bizarre.


Of course you can't. None of us can. We aren't Mr Obama.

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