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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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WOW WIKIPEDIA!!!! the most credible source in the entire world! since ANYONE can add ANYTHING to that site, *snip*
people think wiki is the absolute truth.

AND yes Obama doesn't seem to have any relatives? why not? his grandma died just before he was elected, hmmmm.... oh and she also said she was present during his birth in Kenya, 1961.

AND WOULD PEOPLE STOP SAYING CHANGE THE NAME OF THE ARTICLE!! UNDER THE T&C YOU MUST POST THE EXACT TITLE OF THE ARTICLE FROM THE SOURCE YOU GOT IT FROM, GOT IT???????




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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by slicobacon
reply to post by The Nighthawk
 


Ok - I don't have proof one way or another


The truth comes out!!!!!!!!!!!


- I am open to either position on where obama was born - do some research on his Hawaii "birth certificate" and on a "certificate of live birth" and you MAY understand the controversy.


I HAVE researched this, and I am completely, 100% satisfied that Obama is exactly who he says he is. I have provided links on this and another thread. Please, read them yourself, because the ones I've seen all agree he's legit.


Controversy I might add that could be quelled by obama releasing hi "certificate of live birth".


He did. I linked to it above. Where's yours?


And no, regardless of what you have seen or heard the certificate of live birth has not been seen - it was sealed by obama. Research that one.


It wasn't sealed by Obama, it was sealed by Hawaii's Governor--and that's because none of the people asking for it, such as the right-wing blog trolls who started this farce of a theory, have a legal right to it. Neither they, nor you, are relatives, the registrant himself, or anyone else with a legal claim to demand a copy of the original BC.

Edited to add:

(Hawaii State Public Health Director Dr. Chiyome) Fukino, however, repeated the Health Department's position that state law prohibits her or any other officials from actually releasing the birth certificate, which Obama's campaign says shows he was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.

"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes ¤338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. ... No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."


Source

Now this is important:

I'm sure YOU wouldn't want just "anybody" to be able to access YOUR birth certificate without your authorization. Sure, many employers want this, but YOU still have to provide that. They can't just go to your state and demand it.

Any release of Obama's BC would, by law, have to come from Obama himself. Which, turns out, he did. Come to Chicago; it's in his headquarters. But, you refuse to believe that's genuine, regardless of a line of people happy to authenticate it.

So. The right-wing blogger/"media reps" can't get it for themselves directly from Hawaii (quite correctly I must say--I wouldn't want anyone looking at MINE without my knowledge and authorization either, regardless of whether there's anything to "hide") and they won't accept anything Obama provides himself as the truth. Where does that leave us?

It leaves decent people who want to move this country forward stuck with the albatross of stupidity and divisiveness, all because you can't believe the man is who he says he is and still have made it so far on his own merits.

It's a Catch-22 and that's exactly what your puppet masters want.


BUT seeing as how he won't allow this to be seen, and the fact that he has family members in Kenya and the Kenyan Ambassador saying he was in fact born in Kenya leaves more room for doubt. This isn't about bush its about what obama is hiding-


But it IS about Bush. It's about EVERY President. You're holding Obama to a certain standard; a standard that he essentially cannot meet because no amount of proof will be enough for you.


Don't fret - your radical socialist hero will be president I'm sure. But as we have seen in the past, that does not make him an honest or honorable person.


What, exactly, do you consider "honest and honorable"? I see in Obama a man who has accomplished incredible things in the face of adversity, a family man, a man with confidence in himself and in the truth of his message. If all you can see is some kind of monster just waiting for his chance to strike you've got some serious mental health issues and should see a therapist.


Also - fact based on wikipedia is a laugh.


So is "fact" based on rumor and innuendo posted on Web sites run by right-wing fascist bloggers paid for part and parcel by the GOP. But, here we are, and frankly that's all you've got.

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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
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Wikipedia is not exactly a source with proven facts. Furthermore, look it this citation from Obama's entry:

# This page was last modified on 1 December 2008, at 17:05.


The Obama Wiki page was just modified. In fact, it has been modified virtually every day in the last several months. For all we know, anyone could have modified it, including you, which is the problem with Wikipedia.


And any idiot paranoid reject freak with five minutes and a partisan axe to grind can start a website claiming Obama's a fraud. The GOP pays for some of them. What's your point?


Furthermore, I am fed up with people that use the race card, every time someone challenges them with facts. From what I can see, Tinkabit made no racist claims. Her only "sin" was challenging you to PROVE your wild claims that Obama has been fully vetted. In fact, Obama has received a free pass from the MSM ever since his initial run began.


Oh please. You know this is bull. It's racist because it's based on the belief people have that a black man in America cannot reach this level of achievement based on their own merits. I don't see you demanding the same info from any other President.


As to his birth certificate that you claim proves he was born in Hawaii, that photocopy has been PROVEN to be a forgery:

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...


That website is even sketchier than Wiki. It's run by the GOP. But you probably already knew that.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 01:19 PM
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Wow. All I can say about you Mr Nighthawk is that your very adamant on your views. I'm not arguing that obama is not legit - I'm asking for evidence either way. I'm not looking for someone to point their finger at the GOP and cry foul.

If there was nothing to these claims there wouldn't be all the pending lawsuits. But there are. Questions will have to be answered. One way or another I just want to know - is barry hussein even elgible to be POTUS?

So let me get this straight - are his family members in Kenya lying about his birth there?

And yes - I did have to provide my birth certificate when I joined the Marine Corps, I did so willingly with nothing to hide. You being the radical socialist you are should agree that it should be publicly accessible as he is a public servant.

You would be up in arms if this were a GOPer in barry's position!



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 01:31 PM
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Now wait just one cotton pickin' minute!!!

On second thought... never mind... I just always wanted to use that term, "cotton pickin'" in an Obama forum.

Here's what I think: Obama is the Anti-Christ, so if you think that there is anything we can do to stop him from bringing about Armageddon then you're sadly mistaken.

Just pick your side soon. You can be with the Jesus freak Republicans and love your 'tard babies, or you can be with the lazy, amoral, quere, baby killing democrats that march with the armies of "the messiah", i.e. the AntiChrist, Oblama.

I just can't allow myself to believe that Ron Paul and Peter Shift still aren't taken seriously. What is it going to take? Go RP!!!


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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 01:36 PM
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HAAAAAAAAAAA!

You made my day!

I guess grasping onto "guns and religion" isn't so bad-



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 01:59 PM
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Anyone know if Bush's group or congress, hell anybody tried to push any laws before obama takes office cause it seems like we could get screwed over anyway.

we can't pass laws and the military doesn't have to listen to him so who would they listen to?

Packerson out



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 02:26 PM
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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 02:43 PM
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hmmm? Is that as bad as deserting from a Nat'l Guard unit during a war & then become president?



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 02:45 PM
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The peace before the calm
The calm before the storm
The storm before the night
The night before the end
The end before the dawn

Its interesting and as much as Regional religion states

Peace is spoken to control
Revolution to break the grip
Reformation of the revolution leads to "better" peace

He who wishes to lead speak peace, we only look at the idea of peace

Humans never can find TRUE peace, a good leader should know for who needs a leader in a time of happiness and peace? we are sheep like with a self pride that blinds us into not realizing that there ARE wolves around and the towns people will not help believing it a trick, til the late.

Our forefathers (no not America's but humanity's) since our time it Africa knew this

George Washington
en.wikisource.org...

"43 In offering to you, my countrymen, these counsels of an old and affectionate friend, I dare not hope they will make the strong and lasting impression I could wish; that they will control the usual current of the passions, or prevent our nation from running the course, which has hitherto marked the destiny of nations. But, if I may even flatter myself, that they may be productive of some partial benefit, some occasional good; that they may now and then recur to moderate the fury of party spirit, to warn against the mischiefs of foreign intrigue, to guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism; this hope will be a full recompense for the solicitude for your welfare, by which they have been dictated."

In short don't pick sides (which most will) and some things that don't make sense may be important remember 5% of a false is 1% of the greater true (don't think i know it in fact I can barely focus on a topic without think of ten others)

Throw opinions to the side and judge fairly
and to you Obama is evil people

Obama's just human, His mind thinks human. his subconscious? you decide

Manchester out

And if you don't get what the quote is being used to represent then you don't need to know.

"what you don't know, you can't yet comprehend"

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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:02 PM
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Exhausted by ignorance

The ever ambigous, idiotic and non-specific propaganda piece "There are a whole lot questions about this man....and that should be good reason for us to ask questions and find him questionable" line of BS has gotten old.

I have followed these threads through the whole election. I have researched every outrageous claim objectively and found nothing credible. Ditto with many other posters. Itelligent and well researched answers and the response is always but...but..but.. there are questions we don't know. A whole lot of fear mongering.

Always in the form of a long list implying that somehow a long list of complaints and questions implies some overwhelming case of credibility.

Ignorance is exhausting.

I don't have the energy to dispute garbage eminating from folks who have no interest in truth...only bashing our Pres. Elect. This has been shown to be the case on every one of these threads. Even on this thread there have been thorough and well researched rebuttals to the garbage...still it will continue.

...listing what documents aren't publically available and claiming that there are NO documents available and that there is a cover up...that is dumb and untruthful. It is selecting half truths and ignoring of facts and composing a list of garbage to suit an ugly intolerant agenda.

Ignoring when someone points out via credible sources that there are Students of his that have been interviewed, that there are articles from his lifetime, that there is a Certificate of birth (more valid than a Birth certificate by the way) or that there is a birth announcement in the Hawaii newspaper archives...etc. etc....there I go again forgetting that Obama bashers don't care about facts...they just pretend to.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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What about the facts of his GRANDMOTHER (who died and cannot attest to this anymore) said she was present during his birth IN Kenya, 61? And Kenyan officials? Do you think they make it up for people to move to Kenya and get their tourism going?

And the fact that his mother was involved in infiltrating up and coming black lead movements in the 60s? And her associations with socialists and that he was mentored by many socialists?



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by slicobacon
reply to post by The Nighthawk
 


If there was nothing to these claims there wouldn't be all the pending lawsuits. But there are. Questions will have to be answered. One way or another I just want to know - is barry hussein even elgible to be POTUS?

So let me get this straight - are his family members in Kenya lying about his birth there?

And yes - I did have to provide my birth certificate when I joined the Marine Corps, I did so willingly with nothing to hide. You being the radical socialist you are should agree that it should be publicly accessible as he is a public servant.

You would be up in arms if this were a GOPer in barry's position!


Lets just take a recent post for example....

Yes there are pending lawsuits...Yes Obama is eligible.
Fact/Logical truth...Pending lawsuits in the letigious USA with its fair share of loonies does not mean Obama is ineligible. It means nothing unless you count the lawsuits dismissed...then it means he IS eligible.

His family members in Kenya never said Obama was born there. They were speaking of Barack Obama senior..who was born there. This has been thoroughly proven by translations etc. Claims to the contrary is ignorance or propaganda.

No you did not provide your "actual" birth certificate to join the marine corps. The one you provided was the same as the one Barack Obama provided, one with the registrars seal and signature. If you had a copy of your BC from the hospital with your foot prints...it is a token and not valid for ID purposes. Your local registrars office likely has a birth certificate created when you were born, but if you asked for it they would give you a newly issued copy or "certificate of birth" complete with a registrars seal so you could use it as ID. Ditto if you had one from your youth....if your parents ordered it when you were born and the registrars office sent it to them. It is a "birth certificate" for all purposes neccessary for ID etc.

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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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This was never an issue to past presidents - there was no controversy. There was a question with McCain because he was born in Panama BUt he released his records and it was found he was born on a US facility. Controversy ended.

Too bad obama has something to hide or he could do the same thing.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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What the American people demand to know is what is going to be done to mend a badly damaged economy, when the war in Iraq will end, what future plans will bring about international stability and peace, what will be done with health care, education, taxes, alternative fuels and energy and a multitude of other issues that actually matter.

The American people have elected this man, and in a pathetic attempt to further divisive politics there are a few who would like the American people to have doubts about this ridiculous issue of place of birth etc. Primarily because the extreme right are terrified of Barack Obama, they know what a successful term for him will mean for their ultraconservative party's future.

Keep this in mind, if this was a legitimate issue SOMETHING WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE ABOUT IT.

Obama was allowed to run, he won, he is ready to do the job and has shown brilliance so far in his cabinet choices..... Get over it, if you want to challenge President Obama, you had better go after real issues, the American people are not as easily fooled as you are hoping they are.




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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by unknown known
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What about the facts of his GRANDMOTHER (who died and cannot attest to this anymore) said she was present during his birth IN Kenya, 61? And Kenyan officials? Do you think they make it up for people to move to Kenya and get their tourism going?

And the fact that his mother was involved in infiltrating up and coming black lead movements in the 60s? And her associations with socialists and that he was mentored by many socialists?


The Grandmother that died DID NOT say he was born in Kenya.
It was a (Step) Grandmother in Kenya that some websites have claimed said that.
What she actually said was a reference to Barack Obama SENIOR and his birth in Kenya. She answered a question after speaking about Barack Obama SENIOR and Corsi and crew took this out of context.

Kenyan Officials...You mean the Kenyan Ambassador who also referred to Barack Obama SENIOR...Obama's Father...In that conversation the Ambassador says in the same sentence that Obama was an Economist working with the Kenyan Government...Barack Obama SENIOR was an economist working with the Kenyan Government, NOT Junior.

The rest of your post about black movements and socialists...well I expect you to ignore the above rebuttals...agenda over facts.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:27 PM
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"No you did not provide your "actual" birth certificate to join the marine corps. The one you provided was the same as the one Barack Obama provided, one with the registrars seal and signature. If you had a copy of your BC from the hospital with your foot prints...it is a token and not valid for ID purposes. Your local registrars office likely has a birth certificate created when you were born, but if you asked for it they would give you a newly issued copy or "certificate of birth" complete with a registrars seal so you could use it as ID. Ditto if you had one from your youth....if your parents ordered it when you were born and the registrars office sent it to them. It is a "birth certificate" for all purposes neccessary for ID etc. "

I provided the long form certificate of live birth complete with a stamp from the hospital to prove my PLACE of birth- it was required for a security clearance.

My point being the controversy could be averted, were there not something to hide.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by slicobacon
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I provided the long form certificate of live birth complete with a stamp from the hospital to prove my PLACE of birth- it was required for a security clearance.

My point being the controversy could be averted, were there not something to hide.


Lord help me! The "certificate of live birth" you reference IS THE SAME ONE that Barack Obama provided? Get it? It might have listed the place of your birth as did Obama's, but are you confusing the "hospital stamp" for the registrars stamp? Please go look at it now. A hospital stamp is useless in the eyes of the government and in all of my genealogy research I have yet to see a hospital stamp on a formal government issued certificate of birth...and I have probably 20 plus actual birth records, certificate's of birth etc. from deceased family. I am the record keeper for my branch of our family.



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posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 03:59 PM
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If you are going to inquire as to Obama's credentials, please learn to spell the word college. I know it sound like it has a D in it, but we must abide by the rules of the english language.

Is this thread for real? From some of the replies I have read in this post, some of you obviously weren't wearing your foil hats when you were typing. He's not an alien or genetically grown being, he's the next hope for turining this country around. Oh and to prove he's real, I have a picture of him an I at an event a few years ago. Before you go there I have not been brainwashed and I am indeed a human.



posted on Dec, 1 2008 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by slicobacon
This was never an issue to past presidents - there was no controversy. There was a question with McCain because he was born in Panama BUt he released his records and it was found he was born on a US facility. Controversy ended.

Too bad obama has something to hide or he could do the same thing.


Too bad US military bases (abroad) don't qualify within the meaning of the 14th Amendment.

Foreign Affairs Manual:

Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.





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