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reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 04:12 AM by skeptic_al
reply to post by Alter-Ego



OK, so UFO's are REAL..now what?


Did I miss something or what?
Every UFO info posted on this forum for as long as can remember is
Fake, Intentionally Deceptive, or has a earthy explanation.

Show me a "Non Fuzzy","Non Shakey" photo or video, Footprint, Fingernail,
Toenail, Teeth or any peice of UFO material. You can't because the "secret"
government agencies have them all, Proof that they therefore exists.


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 05:24 AM by thefreepatriot
reply to post by ziggystar60



thats hilarious... you put together chemtrails with GFL... you'r funny.


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 05:39 AM by AceWombat04
My (attempted) logic is basically this:

There definitely appear to be a percentage of unidentified flying object sightings which remain unexplained and mysterious. This means that UFOs exist, even if only very few sightings constitute true UFO sightings. They might be things we're capable of identifying, but lack the ability or information to do so. Regardless, for the time being they remain unidentified and so are technically UFOs. If the alien abduction phenomenon is a real experience and not a psychological or sleep phenomenon, then whatever or whoever pilots at least some of these few persistently unidentified objects that make up the genuine UFO phenomenon are very likely the ones responsible (at least in part if not in total) for the abduction phenomenon, because of the conformity in description of the craft reported in both phenomena. Because there is at least a possibility that these are military, privately owned (by people we don't know about,) or intelligence-related craft, it is therefore at least conceivable that the abduction phenomenon might be perpetrated - if real, of course - by human beings.

As for what UFOs themselves are, my three favored hypotheses are:

1) Military, privately owned, or intelligence-related atmospheric craft in conjunction with psychological operations.

2) Extra-terrestrial and/or interdimensional visitors.

3) Various natural phenomena and misidentifications.

I don't have an opinion as to which of these is most probable, as I honestly don't know. I will say that I find it interesting that MDMA produces visions of alien visitation of the sort recognized in the mainstream (greys, etc.) Some people theorize that this suggests an interdimensional or psychic component, while others suggest that it might indicate human activity intentionally disguised as "alien" abductions. I find that whole angle quite fascinating, if highly disturbing in the case of the latter.

I have no idea, though. I don't have just one hypothesis, so I can't really pick just one option. I'm skeptical of all hypotheses because none of them have been proved, and I don't adhere to any of them. I remain open minded to all of them, and others, though.

[edit on 11/30/2008 by AceWombat04]



reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 09:35 AM by Alter-Ego
Awesome responses everyone. PART ONE will be up for one week. I would like to give everyone that wishes, time to enter an opinion, then I will set to the task of documenting the results and then publishing them in PART TWO, so remember ..try to keep your replies short on this thread, the real debate will commence in PART TWO through FOUR! I applaud you all for your time and efforts!




Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to
post by Alter-Ego



OK, so UFO's are REAL..now what?


Did I miss something or what?
Every UFO info posted on this forum for as long as can remember is
Fake, Intentionally Deceptive, or has a earthy explanation.



Show me a "Non Fuzzy","Non Shakey" photo
or video, Footprint, Fingernail,
Toenail, Teeth or any peice of UFO material. You can't because the "secret"
government agencies have them all, Proof that they therefore exists.




Yes, my friend.. you have indeed "missed something" if you do not know that UFO's are in fact a reality. So, by reading this thread you should be brought up to speed.

I will not DEVOLVE to prove a point. This thread is not here to convince you or anyone else..thats old news. I (and MANY others) have personally witnessed craft or objects that clearly are not "conventional". To be honest I am amazed that there are still people that dispute the fact of UFO's
exist! You are now the minority, but its ok.. we will NOT call you crazy!

The very term UFO has been convoluted to the point that it is almost synonymous with ALIEN..which at this point is not proven. That is the purpose of this thread... to figure out WHAT UFO's are or represent.
Feel free to join us as we search for answers in this mystery.. you might just be amazed at what you discover!





[edit on 30-11-2008 by Alter-Ego]


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 11:19 AM by Heike
UFOs are real. Of course they are. People see things in the sky that they can't identify all the time. As you've said, the question is, what are they?

Although obviously some are fakes and hoaxes, we'll throw those out of consideration because they really aren't, by definition, UFOs. Someone (the author/creator) knows exactly what they are.

Of the "real" UFOs left, I don't think there is one answer that covers them all.

Some sightings which remain "unidentified" are probably experimental aircraft or natural phenomena (birds, planets, etc.). For example, there's one Mexican ufo video which claims to be a flying horse. I've watched it several times and I've yet to understand how people don't see that it's a large bird. The angle of the shot as the bird turns makes it resemble the outline of a rearing horse, but it's a BIRD.

We are left with numerous sightings of "somethings" which are NOT hoaxes, natural phenomena, or military craft. What are they?

My simplest answer is that I believe they are craft piloted by non-human intelligent beings who have technology superior to ours. Are they from another planet, another dimension, from deep inside the Earth or under the oceans, or from the future? I don't know, and short of flagging one down and asking the pilot, I don't know how we can tell.

Why do I think this? Because my personal sighting in the late 60's displayed technology that I personally think humans do not yet actually have (a green light that can pass through solid objects without changing or harming the solid objects).

I personally think that it is more likely that our UFO pilots come from somewhere closer to home than another galaxy, unless they have discovered something like wormholes or Dune's "folding space" that allows them to travel from there to here in a brief time. The idea that they would travel for years to get here and then just fly around, kill a few cows, make some pretty designs in someone's corn field, and conduct a few "examinations" of humans before going back home doesn't make any sense to me. If, on the other hand, they're just next door (dimensionally speaking), or inhabiting some portion of our own planet, and getting here isn't much harder for them than for us to visit another country, their actions (and lack of certain actions such as introducing themselves) make more sense.

Still, considering all the different types, shapes, sizes, and behaviors of craft as well as occupants, I don't think there is just ONE answer.


reply posted on 30-11-2008 @ 12:18 PM by Leto
Originally posted by XSilencedxdream
I've been reading threads here on ATS for awhile now, and this is the thread that inspired me to sign up and comment. Personally I believe that UFO's are very real, and most are the work of different groups of aliens.

Thats where things get complicated for me. Someone mentioned earlier that UFO's would have to travel for years to get here, keep that in mind and think about USO objects and the fact that aliens could be using the ocean as a base.

Surely other planets are inhabitable if ours is. However some sightings may be due to ignorance, military testing, or something else skeptics would love to use against the UFO believers.

I've come to believe that there's multiple groups of aliens out there judging by the different types of sightings. Each could have their own unique plans for us. Perhaps they could all have signed some sort of treaty to not interfere with us, they probably know that if we got a hold of their technology we would just mess up everything.

One theory of mine is that they (At least one or two groups.) visited our planet long ago, and thats why you see ancient paintings of odd looking figures and stories of strange looking people. If thats true, then that may have been the early days of one groups space quests.

What if one of these groups are humanoid or somehow related to us? If time travel is ever achieved in the future, then of course they would go back in time for different reasons- which can explain footprints that have been found along side dinosaurs and misplaced technology.

Finally, yes the government is hiding many things and it shouldn't even surprise people. After all, they can't release any papers on the subjects of UFO's without marking out 80% of the words.


" Someone mentioned earlier that UFO's would have to travel for years to get here "

Not necessarily true.
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