The sub-industry that has grown around UFOs and the dubious characters associated with it has tainted the whole notion of extraterrestrial visitations.

There may be lifeforms with intelligence that don't function within the same compacted molecular framework that we as manmmals do. They could be like a complex computer program, a vast assemblage of interacting atomic particles that would only be detectable on a powerful microscope.

The most successful lifeform on our planet, bacteria, are only aware of us as a moving part of their environment that is a rich source of residence and nutrition. Maybe bacteria just make us do what we do to create new and different opportunities for them.

I'm open to anything. I do not think there are Greys of the current model of big head/big eyes developed infant types out there in saucer shaped ships that move across the skies but avoid contact. That's too naive to expect.

The big problem will be even recognizing when we are dealing with another intelligence and finding ways to communicate with it.


Mike F

The Internet in general has done great harm to this topic. Most of the photo's and video's are in fact fakes or simply misidentified lights, blurred birds, insects or other such nonsense.

I have believed for many years there have been authentic sightings. I think it is entirely possible that we are being visited by curious beings from elsewhere.

Right now I think many UFO sightings are military or experimental craft also.

With the flood of You Tube fakes and images of tiny lights, I'm afraid many will loose interest altogether. What a shame. Most of the posts on ATS lately are a waste of time.

I do think the recent triangular shaped craft are secret military prototypes. They clearly exist but there is no reason to think them Alien.

As to the Reptilians. I was long a go a child and prone to fantasies such as that. I at one time believed in Santa Clause.

There are too many reports for me to dismiss the whole phenomena. They can't all be misidentified or hoaxes. As to what they are? Hmm .. I tend to favor that some are man made, and some are indeed alien. Hell for all I know or can prove, they are all just giant M & M s that have come to tease us with their chocolate goodness.

Peace

Theres NO question of if they are real, the question is when an official announcement will be made. Personally, i believe the time will be 2009 sometime.

What do I believe is out there?
ETs from somewhere other than Earth (obviously).

Do i think they are hostile?
Not until we piss them off.
In which case, they are so advanced, they will destroy us all.

Do i think they will help the Earth economically, or with g-warming?
lol, are you serious? lol, no

Do i believe that they are here among us hiding and studying us?
Absolutely.

They wont be disclosed until the time comes that they CANT be denied
(an obvious visit). Not some weak-ass lights in the sky or a radio-active spot in the forrest where they "landed", i mean obvious.

Originally posted by Alter-Ego
For example, some people have said that the craft themselves are living entities. That they possess the ability to grow and shrink and seem to have a 'personality' or be an actual life form, not simply a "nuts and bolts" craft.

Yes some ufos are actually living entities. The S-4 video is the best evidence of this that i've seen. I highly recommend watching the documentary 'Ships of Light - The Carlos Diaz UFO Experience' for some evidence of another type of living entity UFO.

These energy life forms, I wonder what their status is among other alien races.

I'm just an average gal and while you say it as though it were just widely accepted truth, I have to say that I have never seen anything that has convinced me there are UFOs out there. Now don't get me wrong, I have always believed that there is likely something out there. I mean it would be a bit self centered to believe we are the only things out here in this great big universe and beyond. However all of the 'proof' I have seen posted over the years here at ATS has never quite been fully convincing. Why is it that most 'proof' is so blurry anyways?

So while I'd like to speculate on what it could be, I have to say I'm not convinced that it is indeed UFO.

the FALLEN ONES
or
the greys are bio-robots sent to recon- the outerworld
from HOLLOW-EARTH (hallow earth theory)

I aslo believe it to be more of the multiple phenomenon I would say most cases would probably be alien in variety. Most of what I have seen that I believe would fall into this catagory.
Second I would say would come human technology although having not witnsessed anything I believe to fall into this catagory I don't subscribe to this theory 100% but I do believe it to be most likely true.
What I find curious are the so called light ships, which if descriptions are correct I would say would have to be something of other dimensional origin which just opens up a whole other bag. My most profound experience I believe may have been with this type of ship but only having witnessed it from close below I have no way of knowing what type only that it could not have been human technology.
Of course you can't leave out the fact that many sightings are merely mistaken identity because either the person does not have enough knowledge of what they are seeing or they don't look at the other possibilities.
And then obviously there are the many hoaxes out there which pollute the whole subject and add fuel for the non believers

Good thread.

I believe that some UFO's are of alien origin.

Why? Because they are doing exactly what we are doing. We've been sending our advanced probes into space for decades to study our Solar System. They are doing the same- only on a much more advanced level.

Lets hope you can derive some interesting results from all of this and come up with a thought-provoking anaylisis.

FLAG, so that this gets more attention.

My personal belief is that MOST of the UFO's are simply military aircraft on testing rounds, especially the earlier photographs from post WW2. I also believe that a smaller amount are elaborate hoaxes, some look real others dont.

But i do believe that there has been extra terrestrial craft flown on Earth, whether by humans or by aliens? I dont know.

Heres the way i look at it, more simply:

Aircraft: 40-50%
Hoaxes: 20-30%
Simple objects (balloons, etc): 10-20%
Alien craft: 5-10%

Once again, i simply dont know, every way i think about it i go back tot he start.

I believe the sightings are real. Abductions have always occured. More direct and visible visits occured earlier in history when humans were less technically sophisticated. Nearly 100% of ETs will find earth plant and animal substances to be toxic or of no food value...most ETs will have self-modified themselves beyond digestion reliance anyway. And most non-sol system ET "visitors" will be wholly integrated AI-craft systems with perhaps extravehicular cyborg units capable of movement and communicatipon. Non earth sol-sytem visitors will be here primarily for large scale mineral mining on other planets and moons (He3) and make "side trips" to life-planets as diversions and their own archives just as they do in other sol systems. Depending on their evolutionary/environmental home, Et might not be predatory as we understand it (for territory or food) but can be functionally oriented to results and objectives so they might appear to be cruel and without conscience ...as humans might so appear to our lower" earh animals. ET might also have evolved/self-modified novel (to us) communication abilities. ET biochem will not match that of humans. They might rarely breathe our air but will "make" alternate versions of themselves for long term contact with earth... hundreds of years or more.

I believe UFO's have been seen for thousands of years and described according to the technical level of the times in bible passages, more ancient tablets, and throughout the world. I believe there are many various visitors and travelers in our solar syatem and throughout "space" just going about their purposes. I believe energy is a primary interstellar currency.

Currently, I suspect the sightings are of several origins:
1 Human advanced craft (triangles eg) - American, Russian, Japanese
[! those that have bright lights, especially red, green etc, veiled shapes (cloaked), aerodynamic]
2 ET- our solar system
(strange odors, ancient descriptions such as feathered snakes which are descriptions of reptillian forms with gill structures from a liquid world; piloted by EBs or machine AI systems)
3 ET - other solar systems
(sudden appearances, saucers, spheres; Time-Space displacement drives; craft are cyborg entities;
4 ET - Extradimensional
(shape changing, spherical forms that disappear)
5 Human - Future (extradimensional)
why not. We are almost there with technol advancing beyond nanotek to Planck scale "tek" which will take us into string membranology so we will eventually be able to dial" in what alternate realitites along whatever time path we wish.

All ET visitors are here to study us and our other life forms. They appear to practice non-involvement just as humans do when studying Ant, Gorilla/Chimp/Whale socialization and life. But occasionally ET selects a "specimen" human/earth animal for hands-on inspection; and they use advanced "anesthetic" technols involving direct manipulation of human brain E/M functions. Also, they are/have been gentically modifying/hybridizing human-ET strains just as we are doing in our own fairly recent earth interspecies genetic modification experiments.

To repeat an common idea - if ET had bad intentions we would have known about it since there is nothing we can do to stop them. I truly doubt that we have combatted ET craft with our prop/jet fighters. We might have some crashed craft but these are most likely from our solar system. ET craft propulsion systems are different from our Newtonian drive systems and vastly more effective at overcoming gravity but the principle is elementary when one thinks about it.

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