reply to post by Lost_Mind
I see what you're saying, but I'm afraid I can only offer this:
It could be, at least in my thinking, that our advancement could be a response to the anomaly. You know how the ETH crowd seems to think every
advancement we have is related somehow to spaceman technology gleaned from some back office X-Files "deal" with aliens?
Well, to a certain point it might not be far from the mark. Not in the sense of any X-Files scenario, or that we got technology from ETs, but that our
understanding and advancement may be in part our natural response to the anomaly. The "alien", or whatever.
The contact experience often if not always involves altered states of consciousness. That "hyper reality" thing I mentioned before. Now, besides the
"naturally occurring" (whatever that is) "alien experience", are there other ways to achieve that contact. Such as has been mentioned by McKenna,
through DMT or other Tryptamines. That becomes a real weird issue for a lot of people, because it's associated (of course) with "hallucinations".
However, DMT produces, at sufficient doses and not piddly ones, a consistent experience throughout all people. I seriously question the whole aspect
of what a hallucinogenic experience is. If we perceive it, is it real...on some level. Remember the observer and reality.
As described by McKenna and others: You start by seeing a Mandela-like pattern. Then you are propelled through it, and suddenly find yourself (and see
if this seems familiar) in a round, low ceiling room, with indirect lighting. There are "elves" there, and they produce objects from thin air by
"singing" and show them to you. Their language is (again familiar) visual. There is the overall sense that our reality is fake...and the DMT
experience is ultra-real. Experiencers have much the same outlook with regard to visitation...again, hyper reality.
To hear McKenna and others describe the DMT experience...for me who has never tried any drug (I'm completely chicken sh** when it comes to being out
of control of myself...and frankly I don't need a drug to see this stuff), it's hauntingly similar to alien visitation.
So, in past ages when the medicine man, or shaman goes into the depths of a mushroom experience (a close relative of DMT) does he gain such insights
from these beings...and are they the same intelligence we see in the UFO enigma?
Has humanity responded to that...and we don't even know it.
I know this is deep stuff, but again I see significant connective tissue here between the altered state of consciousness and "alien" experiences and
Tryptamine hallucinogens. I wish I had the guts to try it and see just how similar it is. But, I don't like being around "them", and the idea of
bringing it on is not something I want to do.
Again, none of this says the experience isn't "real"...we need to define what that even means. It's *more* real then real. But if you could hit a
saucer with a rock, would it make a sound.
McKenna tells of being in the Amazon and watching some clouds spilt and form into a saucer. It made the old theramin sound of sci-fi saucer movies as
it passed over him. He wondered if the anomaly was more true to form as cloud or machine. But there was a problem: it was the classic Adamski craft.
Yes, the faked photo made from the end cap off an old 1937 Hoover vacuum. McKenna knew the photo was faked, so what is a 1937 embellished Hoover end
cap roughly 40 ft wide sailing around the amazon as a flying saucer?
Because it manifested to him. For him. It again, as so many times before and since, is self contradictory. Maybe it can't help looking to us as it
does. Maybe there's no choice for it. But it gave McKenna a clue...it seemed to say "You know I'm fake..so what am I really?"
It should be noted he wasn't on anything at the time of the sighting. But youre also talking about a man who was intimately familiar with all known
hallucinogens by direct experience...he said this matched no experience he ever had (and he'd know).
This is ultimately why when I do a lecture and someone comes up to me and asks, "are they real?", I always respond by saying "that depends on what
you mean by real."
Our entire culture may be shaped by the anomaly...not necessarily the "alien" or fairy, or gnome, or ghost...the overall anomaly, and whatever it
imparts. This conversation, and our suggestions and ideas about it may all be inspired by that. Who knows.
Again, I'm just free-form thinking here. I'm very interested in all the DMT "spirit molecule" thing...but I've only become aware of it within the
past 6 months or so. But, it's interesting.
Of course, I can always be wrong... 
