I have to say that is imperative that states get the help they are asking for.

But why they waited this long to be in such need, why they didn't ask Bush for some bail out money then.

Originally posted by marg6043
I have to say that is imperative that states get the help they are asking for.

But why they waited this long to be in such need, why they didn't ask Bush for some bail out money then.

imperative that we supply failures...

are you for real?

Originally posted by marg6043
I have to say that is imperative that states get the help they are asking for.

Agree with you 100% marg!

If the states start going bankrupt, there will be no money for:
(of course these may differ state to state)

No state police
No DOT - no fixing roads, bridges, traffic lights
No child health services
No Bureau of Health Quality Management
No State Parks
No Department of Business and Professional Regulation
No State Universities
No Wildlife Enforcement
No state Department of Environmental Protection
No Department of Motor vehicles (DMV)
No Division of Hotels and Restaurants
No Business & Professional Regulation - no new business licenses
No state court systems

And many, many more things we take for granted that the state provides for us and these probably aren't even be the best examples!

Yeah, we don't need to let any state go bankrupt in my book

The no taxes at any cost crowd simply have no clue as to what their taxes buy... they seem to think that state and federal governments can function just fine without them... its that or they just don't care.

Both are equally disturbing.

Originally posted by Keyhole

Originally posted by marg6043
I have to say that is imperative that states get the help they are asking for.

Agree with you 100% marg!

If the states start going bankrupt, there will be no money for:
(of course these may differ state to state)

No state police
No DOT - no fixing roads, bridges, traffic lights
No child health services
No Bureau of Health Quality Management
No State Parks
No Department of Business and Professional Regulation
No State Universities
No Wildlife Enforcement
No state Department of Environmental Protection
No Department of Motor vehicles (DMV)
No Division of Hotels and Restaurants
No Business & Professional Regulation - no new business licenses
No state court systems

And many, many more things we take for granted that the state provides for us and these probably aren't even be the best examples!

Yeah, we don't need to let any state go bankrupt in my book

we wouldn't cut those programs LOL

we would REDUCE them and make them RUN more EFFICIENTLY.

you just propose we give them more money

you are a drunk sailor with other peoples money

what about your money? go donate half your pay check to the state park office, because we need to help these park rangers driving around in 100,000 state of the art, tax payer Ford Explorers with leather seats...

you dont live in the real world

if you did, you wouldn't just give these loser an open check book.

Originally posted by grover
The no taxes at any cost crowd simply have no clue as to what their taxes buy... they seem to think that state and federal governments can function just fine without them... its that or they just don't care.

Both are equally disturbing.

im not a no tax guy

im a free market guy

you wanna call names

be my guest

government is too big

you think its not big enough

thats why I'm smarter than you

Originally posted by ConservativeJack
we wouldn't cut those programs LOL

we would REDUCE them and make them RUN more EFFICIENTLY.

you just propose we give them more money

you are a drunk sailor with other peoples money

what about your money? go donate half your pay check to the state park office, because we need to help these park rangers driving around in 100,000 state of the art, tax payer Ford Explorers with leather seats...

you dont live in the real world

if you did, you wouldn't just give these loser an open check book.

You haven't even inquired what my attitude about taxes is... you are simply making assumptions and throwing around an attitude.

I will give you a metaphor from real life... I managed a kitchen in a restaurant whose owner was a tightwad big time... he kept our budget so tight that we had no wiggle room, no room to try new things and eventually no customers... he pinched pennies to the point that we could only function and that was it and so went out of business.

Are there excesses yes of course there are but at the same time a business or a government needs room (both financial and actual) or it simply cannot do its job.

Case in point here in Virginia the Dept. of Transportation's budget has been cut so tight that if we have a rougher than normal winter... either the roads don't get salted, or they get salted but later don't get maintained.

Originally posted by grover

Originally posted by ConservativeJack
we wouldn't cut those programs LOL

we would REDUCE them and make them RUN more EFFICIENTLY.

you just propose we give them more money

you are a drunk sailor with other peoples money

what about your money? go donate half your pay check to the state park office, because we need to help these park rangers driving around in 100,000 state of the art, tax payer Ford Explorers with leather seats...

you dont live in the real world

if you did, you wouldn't just give these loser an open check book.

You haven't even inquired what my attitude about taxes is... you are simply making assumptions and throwing around an attitude.

I will give you a metaphor from real life... I managed a kitchen in a restaurant whose owner was a tightwad big time... he kept our budget so tight that we had no wiggle room, no room to try new things and eventually no customers... he pinched pennies to the point that we could only function and that was it and so went out of business.

Are there excesses yes of course there are but at the same time a business or a government needs room (both financial and actual) or it simply cannot do its job.

Case in point here in Virginia the Dept. of Transportation's budget has been cut so tight that if we have a rougher than normal winter... either the roads don't get salted, or they get salted but later don't get maintained.

you called me a no tax guy, which was an assumption. i said you think taxes are too low by default because your position is the government needs more money than it has now. a way to get the government money is taxes. so your position, I assumed base off of your post, was a hike in taxes.

the restaurant business is a very risky business. it's difficult to turn a large profit and usually the employees are low paid. there's a lot of compitition in the food service business. your boss was probably going bust the whole time and eventually he cracked. again, its not about giving you more money, if he gave you more money you wouldn't have been more productive necessarily. you think you could have changed the menu?

not every road should get salted man. salt the essential roads. you have to be productive if you work on tax-payer dime. I don't want understand how your roads wouldn't be getting paved or salted. You should phone your local County office. but would you really expect them to hire another truck driver just to get a few extra roads? that's a waste of money, the roads will naturally heat up and melt in a day or 2.

[edit on 2-12-2008 by ConservativeJack]

Originally posted by ConservativeJack
you called me a no tax guy, which was an assumption. i said you think taxes are too low by default because your position is the government needs more money than it has now. a way to get the government money is taxes. so your position, I assumed base off of your post, was a hike in taxes.

not every road should get salted man. salt the essential roads. you have to be productive if you work on tax-payer dime. I don't want understand how your roads wouldn't be getting paved or salted. You should phone your local County office. but would you really expect them to hire another truck driver just to get a few extra roads? that's a waste of money, the roads will naturally heat up and melt in a day or 2.
[edit on 2-12-2008 by ConservativeJack]

None of this has to do with the subject of this thread which is the Obama transition and the first 100 days. I want to keep things on track.

I will say this I did not say that you were a no tax guy... go back and read what I wrote. I was saying that some either don't understand what their taxes pay for or don't care... that they just want to eliminate all taxes.

I was in the military and I saw an incredible amount of waste. I am all for watching taxes and making the government more efficient but I also understand that a government on a starvation diet is a dysfunctional government and if we just take an attitude of let a state fail assuming that it was mismanaged fails to take into consideration all the various facts including falling tax revenues because of a bad economy. Most states I have lived in did a pretty good job of keeping things on an even keel... much better than AIG that's for sure.

families are down sizing

corporations are down sizing

local governments need to down size their budgets

watch Obama ignore local governments....he will be cautious. the governments you are talking about need economic growth.