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Topic started on 28-11-2008 @ 06:49 PM by jakyll

Police state Britain: Tory MP Damian Green's crime was to reveal truths Labour didn't want you to know


www.dailymail.co.uk
MPs demanded protection from a 'police state' last night after the heavy-handed arrest of a Tory frontbencher shocked Westminster.

Extraordinary details of four simultaneous raids on immigration spokesman Damian Green's homes and offices raised urgent questions about the independence of Parliament.

The Oxford-educated father of two girls, who denies any wrongdoing, was fingerprinted and required to give a DNA sample before being released on bail after nine hours.
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reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 05:39 AM by stumason
reply to post by jakyll



The reason why they are "all hands on deck" is pretty valid. If the Police can interfere with the normal, day to day operation of Parliament (and especially the opposition) then that causes all manner of problems for the running of a democratic Government.

The MP in question had every right to the information he had, as he is Shadow Secretary and none of it was "secret" information so he can do with it as he likes. The information that was "leaked" was just stuff labour wanted to keep quiet, not state secrets.

Note the charge the Police used to arrest the MP, has nothing to do with spying or working against the state, but is akin to a public order offence.

The last time anyone went into the House of Parliament to arrest an MP was in 1642..... If you don't know the significance of that date without looking at wikipedia, then you have little right to bitch about "your rights" being taken away.


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 06:01 AM by stumason
reply to post by infinite



Indeed. And the King lost his head a few years later.

MP's can be arrested if they have committed a crime, however to have their Parliamentray offices searched by Anti-terrorist Police and to be held on a spurious charge of "conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office" on the basis of a leak is unheard of and downright un-British!!

Someone, somewhere ordered the arrest knowing full well the backlash it would cause as they timed it while Parliament wasn't actually sitting but was on a break.


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 06:06 AM by infinite
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Well, the constitutional crisis is heating up.

The reason I think the government is not involved, is because individuals like David Blankett and Brown loyalists are protesting over this breach of Parliament. Keith Vaz isn't impressed either.

Tories, Liberals and even a significant portion of Labour MPs want the Speaker of the House to be removed. Correct me if I am wrong, I believe a Speaker has never been dismissed?



reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 06:34 AM by stumason
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I don't believe one has, but then I am not 100% versed on 1000 years of parliamentary history so I may be wrong!

Pinning it on the Speaker is a bit of a shell game. Yes, the Speaker would have known and probably should have insisted convention is followed, but he didn't give the order or start the investigation just because Jacqui Smith got upset about being revealed as a two faced cow and a control freak.


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 08:09 AM by stumason
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Maybe the Home Offices "duty of care" includes making sure they have their story straight as to who fingered the Tory MP and ordered the arrest.


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 08:09 AM by Britguy
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All very strange. Why on earth would the home office need to keep this guy incommunicado at a secret location? Surely procedure would be to question him then either charge and bail him or release him pending further investigation.
This is all becoming rather interesting. I wonder if this low level staffer knows something he shouldn't, that could prove rather damaging / embarrassing if made public and needs to be kept out of the way.

Hope he doesn't have a pang of conscience and commit suicide whilst being looked after.


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 08:21 AM by infinite
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Exactly.

There is a rumour travelling around Westminster. The Prime Minister is said to be in panic because he has no idea who gave clearance to the use of anti-terrorism police. Jacqui Smith, apparently, gave permission but did not envision a scenario in which anti-terrorism police would be kicking down doors and violating Parliament.

The "mole" is in a secret location so he cannot be contacted by the police and confirm the names and links to "who did what". This man is the key to everything in the story. All we know is Sir David Normington, Head of the Home Office, arranged for the police to investigate the leaks back in late December.


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 08:28 AM by stumason
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Jacqui Smith seems to have alot of problems "envisioning" how her half-baked idea's end up.

Someone, somewhere in the Cabinet allowed this to happen and you can bet the Tories wil not let this one go. If they play it right, they could damage the Government beyond repair, completely undoing any "Brown Bounce" effect that labour have enjoyed recently.


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 09:13 AM by infinite
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Of course.
This is an issue that could force the government to resign, the public are certainly angered by this Ministerium für Staatssicherheit (Stasi) behaviour.

According to certain elements of the press, the Cabinet Office sanctioned the police operations.


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 11:34 AM by stumason
reply to post by CaptainCaveMan



No, bail just means he was released to return at a later date.

Jakyll, what "rights" do you think you have lost?


reply posted on 29-11-2008 @ 11:36 AM by CaptainCaveMan
Originally posted by stumason
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post by CaptainCaveMan



No, bail just means he was released to return at a later date.

Jakyll, what "rights" do you think you have lost?

Damian Green, the party's immigration spokesman, was questioned at a London police station before being bailed. He was not charged, but is to return for questioning in February.

They Bail people, just to come back for questioning?
That is insane.
They don't do that here.

[edit on 29-11-2008 by CaptainCaveMan]
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