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not if god made it that they could accept his and jesus message by blinding and deafening them
Originally posted by Bombeni
But if these people DON"T BELIEVE IN GOD, and go to hell, didn't they get there by their own way?
i agree 100% with your statement (lets pull another bombeni trick and see how many names i get called while not noticing this is one of thier tricks)
Remember now, there is no GOD,
Originally posted by Bombeni
Doing a little fence circling eh? I have no idea what you just tried to say. If I understand you at all, you say I deny there are atheists? No I don't, not at all. I am just suggesting that true atheists don't feel compelled to discuss/debate a thing they believe does not even exist. Now, where are those links to debates where you guys are arguing whether Santa exists? I'll wait.
Originally posted by Bombeni
so as you have started atheists are ugly offer nothing and are all misguided and lying when your own argumenst applied
you really think we are all sexy have more to offer then anyone else are spot on accurate and are the most truthful people ever
so why are you afraid to admit it?
You really think you played that one like a violin, but it came out more like a flute you'd find in a box of crackerjack.
so if they are in hell, WHO sent them? I'm going to give you some extra time on this one. And I was serious, feel free to use that as your signature line if you like. I don't own it. no one as thier isnt a hell either but you insist on running around telling people they are condemned to go there by a loving god
Originally posted by noobfun
not if god made it that they could accept his and jesus message by blinding and deafening them
Originally posted by Bombeni
But if these people DON"T BELIEVE IN GOD, and go to hell, didn't they get there by their own way?
they still didnt get the choice it was forced upon them by god and jesus
according to the bible you cant believe in god unsless he wants you to, so there fore not everyone gets the choice if he decides to stop you as he clearly says he did
i agree 100% with your statement (lets pull another bombeni trick and see how many names i get called while not noticing this is one of thier tricks)
Remember now, there is no GOD,
Originally posted by Bombeni
But if these people DON"T BELIEVE IN GOD, and go to hell, didn't they get there by their own way? Remember now, there is no GOD, so if they are in hell, WHO sent them? I'm going to give you some extra time on this one. And I was serious, feel free to use that as your signature line if you like. I don't own it.
Originally posted by TruthParadox
Originally posted by Bombeni
Doing a little fence circling eh? I have no idea what you just tried to say. If I understand you at all, you say I deny there are atheists? No I don't, not at all. I am just suggesting that true atheists don't feel compelled to discuss/debate a thing they believe does not even exist. Now, where are those links to debates where you guys are arguing whether Santa exists? I'll wait.
I never implied that you deny there are atheists...
You say 'true atheists' don't feel compelled to discuss what they believe?
That's ridiculous.
What is a 'true atheist' and what's your experience in the matter?
Atheist simply means you do not believe in a god. Nothing more - nothing less.
I'm an atheist who likes to discuss my beliefs just as you are a Christian who likes to discuss your beliefs.
The motive is irrelevant (even though I gave you several reasons why I do it).
Just because you discuss something doesn't mean you actually believe the opposite.
Where is your evidence to support that wild claim?
Of course you're going off on tangents, because you can't face the arguments themselves so you challenge our motives and morals.
Not the first time I've seen it.
but what do you base this on as the only book that says what the abrahamic god clearly says the opposite?
Originally posted by Bombeni
I believe God wants everyone with Him, if they love and accept Him as God.
to many? gods own words jesus own words people are blinded and deafened so they can never really hear the message and enter heaven becasue we made it so they couldnt
There are just too many scriptures that invite ALL to everlasting life; certainly though someone in your circumstance who isn't blind or deaf has made his own choice. You can't deny that. But, I digress, He doesn't exist so what does it matter.
umm what? more failing or choosing to not understand?
Don't even suggest that I do any missionary work, telling people they are condemned.
as there are many people dying at the hands of those supposedly spreading gods message,
There are missionaries dying this very day for carrying the word of God to people.
so you do want me to go back and find them all then?
Also, my message is very light on the condemn factor, I have talked much much more often about God's love and MERCY and you know better than anyone I am keenly aware of His Mercy.
so why doesnt he? why does he let so many people suffer when as a powerful comasionat merciful bieng he would immediatley intercede
Originally posted by Bombeni
Although I understand God to be all knowing, what would have been the point for Him to create a world, create a bunch of little creatures to run around it for several thousand years, know every move they would make no matter what (which I believe He does) but not be able to intervene at points of history and make improvisions or whatever you might call it?
well until he provces he exists we have only the bibles word
I also take into effect He is Father. My father laid some tough laws down, but they were broken many times. He rarely carried out the punishment that was attached to the infraction. Two weeks grounding because two days. Instead of a screaming rant, sometimes it was a "I love you and I was worried sick about you, ready to call the police" --- you paint God into a box and you can't do that. He won't allow it. He's God for crying out loud.
but if you read the bible this is clearly not the case he often showed himself in form and miracle he spoke allowed for all to hear
We embrace God in many ways for the same reasaon --- that we cannot see Him
Originally posted by Bombeni
You deny God becaue you cannot see Him. We embrace God in many ways for the same reasaon --- that we cannot see Him. He is too powerful for us to behold in our present form. We must be on an a spiritual plane to finally know God, where "the old things have passed away, and all things are made new"
Originally posted by spy66
God gave humans faith and humans gave themselves science.
while god suddenly stopped delivering .....
Hem!! It's not so hard to understand why we have such problems with believing in God. When all we have to go on is faith. Science gives us a lot more then just faith, science delivers over time.
well as we can show a natural system doing a natural systems job and creating everything around us without god while not disproving him it doesnt in anyway help the case
But could we be jumping the gun a bit to fast when it comes to this question. Are we really that smart yet! that we can exclude God from creation or from the whole picture.
well as it doesnt even try, so id hope not
Science don convince me that God dosent exist. Not by a long run.
Originally posted by spy66
Do you believe in God or do you believe in Man. There is really no other options on the table if you think about it. Its either us or it's our God/s.
exactly
Originally posted by spy66
Have can i prove that faith and common sense is given to us by God. I cant prove that anymore then you can prove that he didn't.
I guess that's what faith is all about
I didn't say that god stopped delivering. I say that we dont understand what god is doing. Because we cant explain it with our known knowledge.
no we use science that expalins natural systems to show how it was believed god did it with his very own hand but now we know its a natural cause
I am not saying that scientist are using science to dis prove God. But others do. A lot of people do.
god is supernatural so science cant and wont even try to explain thats why we have to use our heads and think about it
And as you say it your self. Science is natural.
But is God natural ?
Is it natural what god has done?
If not have could we use science to explain it?
but why not allah or buddah or chrishna or the forest spirits or ancetor spirits or zeus?
Originally posted by spy66
I do believe in God. I also like the other stories. But they dont have anything to do with God. They play another role in all this.
yes right to the only point he has stopped doing what he said he would always do in the bible
You say that God has stopped his actions.
Well you are right to a point.
but the fact its so screwed up how do you know it wasnt a screw up from the begining? how do you know it wasnt wrong to start with?
But we shouldn't lose faith just because we screwed up our religion.
The question really dosent make sense. Have can God be created. He wouldent be God if he was created by something or someone else . Because then his creator would be God over him.
So God must have always existed.
Either everything came from nothing. "Which is impossible". Common sense.
So something has always existed. Would that be our god ?