Obama Forgery Exposed (Dr. Polarik Official Use)

yeah he and about a billion others who werent really born here,fake humans,future ais.
seperate from the replicants of course,those who replace people and pretend to be them,take a look at putin over the past year or so,hes kinda changed eye colour a bit amoungst other things.
dna samples before and after the replication are the key as theres a change,you can tell,they never touch anything or leave any hairs,a tendency to wear gloves and wigs.

in a strange way obama may indeed set us all free if it can be discovered his birth was a forgery.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by welivefortheson]

Originally posted by TheRandom1

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
The OP referenced "I envented the Internet". Is he referencing Al Gore?

If so, the video maker loses all credibilty by being another person who took Gore's words completely out of context.

Stupid.

How else should someone take Al Gore's words? Seems pretty clear and to the point to me.
It's like saying "I like o eat potato chips." Pretty straight forward and cannot really be misconstrued as anything else.

So why don't you tell us what Al Gore was saying when he said he created the internet.

In any case, I wouldn't want him to ever be my president because he might say something like this "I will kill every man and woman on the planet and rape there children." when in all actuality he would just be saying "I have a new tax bill that will lower taxes.".

-Lahara

Well here it is pretty much in Gore's own words:

Gore saying he took the initiative in creating the internet

Call it what you want, but if I had said it, I'd would feel a
bit like a dumb arse for saying it.

Of course I know the internet was invented back in 1969
when Gore was about 21 years old and in college.

Creation of the Internet

Even if he had meant the modern Web that all ppl use then
that was was done at CERN on another continent in 1989.

Web creation

Now he was a senator at that time, and he may have some
influence on it here in the US, but I still say he was pandering.

Just my 2 cents.





[edit on 27-11-2008 by Ex_MislTech]

Originally posted by Evisscerator

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
I really wish ATS had an emoticon that could bang its head against a brick wall, because I feel like doing this every time another Obama's BC isn't real thread.

Everything in that video has been debunked.

Souter never, ever ordered Obama to show a vault BC

Hawaii has stated they have Obama's VBC

Obama has shown his COLB

Hawaiin law states that if someone is born anywhere other than Hawaii, the COLB would reflect that because the VBC would reflect that

If Obama did fake his BC, why would he have done such an absolutely lousy job of it? Do you really think these people who have claimed it as a forgery, who aren't experts at forgeries or birth certificates, would somehow so easily debunk a BC that a master specialist in forged documents made?

Don't get me wrong, I love debating politics, but I don't feel like I'm debating anything when it's the same flawed logic and leaps of assumption used over and over again. If this issue doesn't die soon, I sincerely hope it's because some new and true evidence comes out.

You obviously don't have a clue here. A Certificate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate. The State of Hawaii has not delivered an actual Birth Certificate on Obama.

Justice Souter did in fact order Obama and the DNC to produce a "Vault Copy" of the original Birth Certificate and they must present it by December 1st, 2008.

Justice Thomas has scheduled a Conference with all of the Justices for December 5th to decide what to do about this matter. That is 5 days before the Electoral College votes on who will be President.

And, Again, the Electoral College DOES NOT HAVE TO VOTE the way of the Popular Vote. They could elect McCain.

We shall see what transpires.






[edit on 11/27/2008 by Evisscerator]

Okay..actually what the judge will decide on December 1, 2008 is whether or not the court will hear the case. What Berg filed was a Petition for Writ of Certiorari which is defined below:

Petition for Writ of Certiorari. (informally called "Cert Petition.") A document which a losing party files with the Supreme Court asking the Supreme Court to review the decision of a lower court. It includes a list of the parties, a statement of the facts of the case, the legal questions presented for review, and arguments as to why the Court should grant the writ.

Berg has since abandoned his case that Obama was not born in the US. He is now saying because he went to Indonesia and was adopted by his step father that he somehow "lost" his US citizenship when he "automatically" became an Indonesian citizen. This theory is grasping for straws, since a parent can not denounce your US citizenship. Futhermore, until 2006 Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship.
Our state department website..do a CTL+F for dual citizenship
As for the Electoral College, it is "possible" that they could elect McCain, but very unlikely. The reason is that with the electoral college the winning team gets their electoral college to vote. So it is unlikely that a Democrat electoral college will vote in a Republican candidate, but not impossible. Very improbable..

Originally posted by BlueTriangle

Originally posted by mel1962
So far, I have provided facts and you have provided hearsay!

I don't know about facts, but you've certainly provided your fair share of emoticons.

This is all information I've seen before. Until someone can find an appropriate argument for why Obama is willing to spend over $800,000 to fight demands to see his long form BC rather than spend $10 and produce it...I will remain unconvinced. Whether it's actually the case or not, he's acting like a man who has something to hide.

This is a very good point, why the diversionary tactics ?

Why spend $800,000 to deflect something that would
require a lot less monetary outlay?

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, there is a damn
good chance it is a duck.

reply to post by Evisscerator
\God.  That is so incorrect.  The state of Hawaii has absolutely verified that his vaulted birth certificate is legal and states that he is from Hawaii. 

Christ, there is an AP news headlined based off of it. 
Do you people even read?
State says Obama's Birth Certificate "Okay"
State declares Obama's Birth Certificate Genuine

reply to post by warrenb

I read through threads regarding these issues, and frankly it is time for all to move on. The election is over.

Lmfao ONLY Obama supporters would say something like that & if it IS a forged document then Obama supporters supported a liar, OMABA is not my president i will never claim him, its funny how there are red flags everywhere pointing to the fact Obama is a marxist, a socialist & now hes proven to be the biggest liar. His "NEW CHANGE" is a lie & people ate it up & the Obama supporters would defend him even if he is found guilty of lying about where he was born.
Obama can come out & say hes sorry for decieving the public & Obama supporters would eat it up, i find it sad that our country would fall for a liar, just cause he speaks well from prewritten speached & reading from the teleprompter.
FACE it Obama supporters, just cause the elections over dosent tmean hes in the White House yet, he is not a PRESIDENT, he is a President Elect & once they prove he was dirty & have many skeletons in his closet he will be President elect no longer, one thing i got to say to Obama supporters is this ( the truth hurts) so face it he lied to you & you ate it up hook line & sinker. if it sounds too good to be true than it is. lmfao

[edit on 28-11-2008 by Aryan_Amy]

We're arguing for an ace in a trick deck. Whether he is constitutionally eligible or not, whatever the outcome, this was undoubtedly planned from the beginning. The bigger picture we should be examining is not how to take back America, but how to abolish The system that is slowly devastating our world. The only people who can see it are called blind and ignorant. The ones who don't see it, simply choose not to. There is a growing fear that governs the minds of many, and that is the future. They have abandoned the hopes and dreams of a free world to establish an order and dominance that will soon be too late to rival.

So why then do we continue to support a system that has failed us again and again and then laughed at us while we tried to pick ourselves up?

reply to post by Walkswithfish


Thats what I'd say to if I was a Democrate. Nice try thou.

Heck, maybe natural born means your mom couldn't have had a c-section.
Yeah, that's it.

didn't the guy have to show 3 piece's of ID just to become a govn't official?

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
I read through threads regarding these issues, and frankly it is time for all to move on. The election is over. We must unite NOW.

I said the following in another discussion which I read through today...

Stop it already.

Obama is our president, elected by the majority of Americans. I did not vote for him, however the election is over, he is MY president now, it is time for everyone of us to rally behind him, to support his administration to STOP these insane games aimed at disqualifying him from office.

The American people have spoken in overwhelming numbers.

The time to have done something regarding his eligibility and citizenship passed long before November. Can any of you imagine what would happen now if for some reason Obama is prevented from taking office?

Everyone say it with me...

I am an American, Barack Obama is my President, I will support him.

After 8 years of a Bush administration and all that resulted from that, the new President is going to need ALL of the support he can get. No one should envy him, look at what he is going to be walking into on day 1.

Best of luck President Obama.

i dont get how you can say hes your president if you didnt want him..its this blind patriotism that in my eyes causes far too many problems..

if you dont like what he does...dont support him just because 'hes your president'...complain!!!!!

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Evisscerator

 

\God.  That is so incorrect.  The state of Hawaii has absolutely verified that his vaulted birth certificate is legal and states that he is from Hawaii. 

Christ, there is an AP news headlined based off of it. 
Do you people even read?
State says Obama's Birth Certificate "Okay"
State declares Obama's Birth Certificate Genuine

M1ck, the official statement from Hawaii was

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.

Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.

Everything else is just spin. Nowhere in this statement does it say that Obama was born in Hawaii, or that the COLB on the internet contains the same information as the state's records. Sorry

Originally posted by mel1962
reply to post by unnamedninja

 

Did you look at the newspaper announcements????????

Take the tin foil off your head and do some research, your arguments don't hold water . . . hey wait of minute maybe the Obama campaign made fake newspapers from 1961 . . . hey wait a minute, maybe Obama and Osama are the same person! Has anyone seen them both together . . . hmmmmm . . . I think your right my friend, I apoligize nothing is real, everything if fake, Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist and we just elected him president . . . DOOOOt!

Oh, boy, its going to be along 4 years of crazy idiot stuff!

Is insulting the intelligence of the people you're talking to part of your usual way of speaking? Yes I've seen those papers and they don't really mean a whole lot, part of the problem is that Obama right now falls into a grey area because of the law being retroactive. The second issue is because of his birth certificate which he just refuses to show to anyone, nobody seems to think it's important, and that puzzles me.

Well I guess it is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.

Seriously he's going to be our president and you need to accept it and accept the fact the majority of Americans chose to have him as president.

The following report is the culmination of over four months of intensive, empirical research whose sole purpose has been to determine if the images and photographs posted on the Internet are true reproductions of a genuine document purported to be Obama's original birth certificate.

Read the bold peeps

The guy hasn't seen the actual thing. His "study" is based on images on the net.

If this was a UFO case, and someone claimed to have definitely verified something off an image on the net, a hell of a lot of people on here that are jumping on this guy's bandwagon would be screaming that the person making the claim lived in la-la land with the fairies.

reply to post by BlueTriangle

I totally agree, scary fascist attitude.
Just take a moment to think why? why a group of actual American citizens would pull strings so that a non-resident could become their leader.
The truth is all that can be enough in this case. It should be reviewed by a panel of expert witnesses in a public forum attended by more professionals to watch their asses.

It really irks me that so many people just want this whole issue to 'go away.' Regardless of the apparent inconsistancies (or lack thereof). Even if this is a 'non-issue', even if these people are wrong, and Obama is a NBC, it is not wrong for them to question that fact. It seems to me that folks would rather have a lier in office, than rock the boat. I am not for or against Obama, rather, I am for upholding the founding principles of this country, and against lying elitists. How can people not care, I mean truly not care if he lied? If he is telling the truth then fine, I'll be the first one in line to shake his hand. But if he lied, why would so many people be ok with that? Would people care if a rapist lies? Of course they would. But it's ok for someone wanting to be President to lie? I just don't get that attitude, it's..... disgusting.

Chrono

Trying to get onfo from the Supreme Court can be difficult.
Overnight AM host makes a phone call:
www.youtube.com...

Here's what I think about the Live Birth Cert. issue.

If the Supreme Court has set a 12/05/08 scheduled discussion, then it seems evident that a case about a Birth Certificate issue could not be handled by a lower court. This in itself seems extraordinary if not plain rediculous.
I feel that any Judge who could not decide this case, without a reversal on appeal to the 3rd Circuit or the Supreme Court for that matter, is an offence to every Court in land.
Acknowledging that the Constitution is specifically worded and can be easily interpreted by a first grade reader without lack of comprehension.

Without even getting into Citizen status his Mother at the time of birth, it is obvious and should be, especially to anyone who commands the epithet of Judge within title of designation. The Constitution specifies that to be an eligible Presidential Candidate and to hold the office of President, one be 35 years of age and must be a natural Born Citizen.

Was that too difficult of an interpretation for a residing Judge of any Juristdiction or capacity?
Evidently, yes.

Some Citizens may wonder why a certified copy or long form certificate copy is not released from Obama and given to the Judge in the first place.
I mean, what is it? $20.00 per copy and filling out a request of certificate form, which can be done online now-a-days? I filled out a request this summer for two copies of my Daughter's Birth Certificate, needed to attach with an application for her Passport, and I never left the house and it arrived by snail mail in 3 days. The passport said up to 6 weeks and it too arrived by snail-mail in 5 days.

Intuitively, one may get the impression that, by not submitting the easily and cost effective obtainable document which the entirety of the complaint is based upon and that would definitively resolve such a high profile and controversal law suit, there is something to hide.

One may then conclude, if this document is available and easily obtained from the State born in and rather than submit the document Obama would instead counter with Court Motions filed on behalf of Obama and his Campaign Members, that by virtue of Obama's refusal to produce the document to disprove claims made in a complaint filed in a court of law regarding Constitutional eligibility to run as a candidate for, let alone be inaugurated as, the President of The United States of America,
Obama and his Campaign Members are either avoiding this issue because it is true, or, they are too inept to comlpete the simple task of producing a certified and valid Certificate of Live Birth.

Either way, he is one of the two; Not eligible to become President, or too lean-witted to fulfill the far more complicated than producing a Birth Certificate duties required by a President of this or any Nation.

If Berg is a fraud like some say, why is this matter now awaiting review charged directly to One Sitting Supreme Court Justice, (the second attempt because the first Justice declined/refused and now, for some undetermined reason, the Review has spread beyond the singular review of one Justice to involve all Justices in a pending closed door discussion, which is basically a media blackout on this issue)?

If it is frivulous, why has it reached the Supreme Court?
There are only two reasons I can think of (listed above) that this case has reached the Supreme Court.

Sure, there are other plausible reasons, but I am only considering the two that are logical, reasonable and exceptional to all other possible reasons, or A.K.A. fish stories.

Think about it.

If a Senior Campaign Member tells the Canadian Ambassador, Michael Wilson, on NAFTA that his Heavy Swinging on the topic is just Campaign Retoric, (some would think he is speaking on behalf of the candidate),
www.youtube.com...

And, Hillary says she and McCain both have a lifetime of experience to bring to the White House, and Obama only has a speech he gave in 2002,
www.youtube.com...

And, a multi-millionaire businessman from Chicago, who claims to know Obama personally, says;
"Obama has no record in Chicago.....He'll stab you in the back for a dime..."
www.youtube.com...

That would be very improper unless, you are hiding things, hiding something as important as proof of Citizenship is a skeleton in the closet that reaks of illegality and deceit all the way to the pearly gates of Heaven and beyond to the throne of God. (or in this case, Allah).

To BH:

Jeez, after reading what I wrote to you in a hurry trying to get out here for T-day, I can see why that sounded like I was insulting your intelligence. Sincere apologies my dear. I take it back. You are probably as informed as anyone on the subject. Our little disagreement over the "stereotype the WND readers" issue though remains.

But that's really a secondary issue, so let's drop it. You've made your case well, and you have some valid points. Unfortunately there are others here who have some pretty good counterpoints. And the question of why he would choose to fight the accusations in court rather than simply produce the vault copy is a question that remains at the top of my list. It really is feeling to me like he's trying to hide something. What exactly, remains to be seen. Can you offer up any explanation of why he would choose that route, given the two choices? Please help me understand.

To everyone else:

1) Visionary foresight that there would massive riots all over the place if the SC determined that Obama is not qualified, I believe to be overly alarmist, and simply untrue. The SC is there for many reasons, and it is the highest court in the land. They make the biggest, toughest decisions, and one would expect that if they were to declare this, that they would have sufficient well researched evidence to back up such a decision. The public at large is simply smarter than that, the black population quite included. So, the DNC screwed up. What else is new?

Even if it happened, from a race standpoint the black population would still need to acknowledge that the country as a whole rose above the race issue and showed the world what really mattered. That same public at large therefore I believe would show the world that our Constitution comes first. Sure there would be division on the issue, and yeah there might be the isolated incidents. But full scale civil war, riots, tear gas, massive public unrest? Sorry, I just don't buy it.

2) In regards to accusations that Berg is simply doing this for money, I strongly disagree. Watch his interviews. He is a near life long Democrat. I wouldn't mind seeing his expense sheet though when this is all said and done, just to be sure. With the kind of exposure he has gotten over this, he would be finished if he did not play the left over money card right and return any donations over and above his costs.

3) One thing I don't understand is how the State of Hawaii could deem the entire American public and the world as "non-tangible" interest, considering what is at stake here. That's just not making sense to me at all. If this was some obscure civil case over child custody or something, then I could see it. But we are talking the POTUS here. Pretty major difference, and certainly in my view worthy as "tangible interest." Then again, I ain't no judge.

4) In a case this prominent, I agree that Polarik's analysis of an image rather than the original document has limited bearing on the issue. Even so, the inconsistencies he found are still interesting to me nonetheless for their discussion value. When and if the SC hears the case, you can pretty well bet they will be working with the original documents. To what degree they will check for forgeries becomes the question. And they may not check at all considering the original documents would be State certified. It would be a bit more comforting though if they would have the "originals" run through independent analysis just to be sure, and considering the magnitude of this.

5) I am of the firm belief that this does need to be thoroughly researched by the SC, especially given the point that others have made about birth certificates often not showing the real place of birth. Considering the potential for errors, it is surprising to me that a loophole like this could still exist when the presidency of the US is at stake over such a "small" issue.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I am not for any camp, but I do want the US Constitution to be followed. Otherwise, it will setup a potentially dangerous situation for the future. I am sorry, but I don't want a Saudi or an Israeli or an Iranian as POTUS. No, no, no no NO.