What's funny, is that I had to make a trip into the mountains and back the other day. It's a long drive there and back, so even leaving at 3 p.m., I got back to the city around 4 p.m. And when I came down the last mountain so you get a view of the entire city of Denver, I had to laugh. All this talk about mysterious chemtrails, which have no proof.. but as I look, there is a massive layer of brown over the entire city. Just ugly and thick and oh-so-noticable. That's much more effective than any chemicals that could be dropped. There is a reality of pollution, but we'd rather focus on the unproven. How ironic.

Originally posted by fleabit
What's funny, is that I had to make a trip into the mountains and back the other day. It's a long drive there and back, so even leaving at 3 p.m., I got back to the city around 4 p.m. And when I came down the last mountain so you get a view of the entire city of Denver, I had to laugh. All this talk about mysterious chemtrails, which have no proof.. but as I look, there is a massive layer of brown over the entire city. Just ugly and thick and oh-so-noticable. That's much more effective than any chemicals that could be dropped. There is a reality of pollution, but we'd rather focus on the unproven. How ironic.

Exactly my point, I haven't even touched on the whole subject, I've merely scratched the surface and even then it seems so blatantly obvious.

Of the six thousand aircraft in the USAF, including two and a half thousand fighter aircraft, less than one hundred and fifty aircraft are stealth. It would make zero sense to spray Barium into the atmosphere to enhance the effects of a few stealth aircraft, as it would degrade the radar performance of all the aircraft, including the non-stealth ones, making it harder to detect the actual enemies.

Zepherian, 'chemtrail debunkers' believe that it is normal for 'contrails', to persist. Don't delude yourself into thinking Chemtrail debunkers are incapable of looking up into the sky and "experiencing" "Chemtrails". Let me make this very simple, you look up into the sky, you 'experience' an unusual, very long, persistant, cloud like trail coming out the end of a white aircraft. What is it? Chemtrailers believe they are unnatural chemicals. Contrailers believe they are persistant contrails. To properly 'experience' one way or the other, one has to of actually been inside the trail and collecting hard evidence. You have not experienced either. They have not experienced either. These are only beliefs, nothing else.

This is a 'deny ignorance', conspiracy website after all, everyone will go with what they believe - they believe something else to you based on THEIR experience, and evidence. Not yours. Each side will often argue with eachother, which should provide the truth, based on the most amount of evidence. I could change a couple of words, to make your post work against you.

"Many of the CONtrail debunkers pigeonhole themselves in either tangent discussions or the "I can just look up into the sky" argument, when all anyone really has to do to acknowledge the existence of CONtrails is look at the scientific world, regularly, sooner or later they become apparent and undeniable for what they are; CONtrails."

Bla, Bla, Bla. No more hypocritical mind games.

[edit on 28/11/2008 by C0bzz]

forgot russia also

russia admits doing it since 20 years to fix the weather :

to avoid rain during holidays time for example.

In fact, there was an article about that in times of india in may or june.

i should have kept that edition, cause it hasn't been published on the website (or i searched badly).

It was stating that one bag of the chemicals used to create condensation and avoid the formation of clouds didn't open when released from the craft, and fell down straight on a house roof, breaking it !

A russian top-offcial stating, "since 20 years we do this, it is the first time it happens" !

(i don't have time to lose to invent stupid stories, beside it is common that the paper edition of times of india published very unlikely news -that you never find in western papers - here and then as very discrete news far from the headlines)

it is more about getting rid of heavy conditioning than providing proofs.

when you live in a well, you really believe that the sea is smaller than your well.

but it is so easy to know by oneself, as mentioned before:

one doesn' even need to jump out of the well, one just to go to next airport with a clear mind and look at the trails from commercial planes.

Originally posted by Zepherian
Many of the chemtrail debunkers pigeonhole themselves in either tangent discussions or the "there's no evidence" argument, when all anyone really has to do to acknowledge the existence of chemtrails is look at the sky regularly anywhere over a metropolitan centre in the western world, sooner or later they become apparent and undeniable for what they are. I don't know exactly what's in them, but from my observations of the after effects I suspect they are somehow toxic and very much a hinderence to normal life as we know it.

I look up every day, AND I live near the busiest airport in the country, sometimes the world. I have yet to see anything but regular contrails. I see persistant contrails, and I see short lived contrails. I even see stop and start contrails. But they're all just contrails.

I should also add that I'm less than 50 miles from where they build F-22s, are modifying C-5s, building brand new C-130s, and work on P-3 Orions. So there are plenty of military planes flying around. And still no chemtrails.

[edit on 11/30/2008 by Zaphod58]