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Originally posted by badmedia
In the eyes of god, the universe is static. As he is all knowing and omnipotent, there is nothing he doesn't know. As such, time does not exist, there is nothing that changes.
Take a movie film. Spread it out from end to end. If you were looking at the entire movie at once spread out, then that is how god sees the universe, static and without motion or time.
Free will - Do the tracks free the train or enslave the train? The answer is the tracks will only provide the illusion of freedom. As soon as the train decides to go in a direction outside the tracks, he will soon realize he is not free. This is kind of how things work in the world now, you think you are free - until you try to do something that tracks are not provided for.
The only way for free will to exist is for every single possibility to be available. All possibilities. No defined tracks. Surely god is not limited in consciousness to only allow for a single film strip.
The universe is not a single film strip. It is film strip next to film strip, next to film strip. In our limited perspectives, to us it fills like a single strip. From our perspective, time is linear. We sit in our single dimension always.
But, you actually change dimensions all the time. Every new frame of reality you see is actually the next dimension. What decides that next frame is based on the choices you make, which are based on the understandings you have, as well as intent. This is easy to see on a small scale.
3d is 2d stacked, 4d is 3d stacked and so on.
It is your consciousness which moves, not the universe(static). Your consciousness, the state of being, is part of god - the observer(John 14:20). This much should be obvious to people as they talk of what happens to "you" after death when you are no longer in your body.
Speaking of forgiven, the way you ask for forgiveness is you understand why you were wrong, and then no longer do it again. At which point you will no longer sow the sin, and thus no longer reap it.
Originally posted by christimv
here is my response to your statements,
1. Everything is possible with God.
2. You cannot claim free will does not exist just because
God knows the future. God knows the outcome of your free will
life. Just because he allready knows in advance, does not mean
its not all your choosing.
3. Yes, He knows the saved and unsaved.
4. Again, the same thing. people commit sins, the saved and
unsaved. Just because god knows in advance does not mean those
sins are not done with free will. He lets all of his creations live
out their free will life, saved and unsaved.
5. You claim because god cannot change the future, then he is not
all powerful. The bible describes god as all perfect,
never changing, all powerful, so why would there ever be a reason
for him to change the future?
2. You havent established anything. The basis of your argument is
that because God knows the future, then people dont have free will.
This is false.
Originally posted by Good Wolf
I think the main point of this thread is that Freewill is rubbish, even contradictory in the bible.
Originally posted by Demandred
reply to post by nj2day
its good to be critical of what you read but its not good to be closed minded, fact is you cant disprove god using the bible because then you would need to accept that others can prove god exists by using the bible, if you wish to use it for your argument you cant deny it can be used by the other side to also validate their claims.
infact what you need to realise is its not the details that are important its the message even if you dont believe in god its a good idea to at least heed the message and the message is about Love and Respect for your fellow man.
Originally posted by nj2day
I'm positive you have to have some evidence, scriptural or otherwise for this outlandish theory? Or is this what we call apologetics.
is christianity getting backed into a corner so tightly that they have to start fabricating theories about the existence of the universe to fit their ideas?
I bet to differ... I can do absolutely anything that I put my mind to, as long as it is possible within the realm of physics, and is something that doesn't rely on others to assist... anything...
I just have to make sure I'm prepared to live with the consequences.
Nope, he's limited by current physics to 11 though... maybe 12...
does this mean that i'm only allowed 12 different variations?
Wrong again... Physics states we reside in all dimensions at once. We only see in a 4 dimentional sense...
besides.. if we're all in one dimension... why don't friends/family pop out of existence in our dimension when they make a decision that would remove them from our dimension?
You got your ideas on how dimensions work from watching Sci-fi movies didn't you? Quantum leap? something of the sort... ooooh I know... sliders
Go read some quantum before you try and discuss quantum.
wow, just wow... this is false... completely... 2D only has... 2 dimensions... and lacks the third... you can stack 2D on top of each other all day long... and never achieve a third dimension.
Seriously dude, do some basic study before you try this stuff... you might injure yourself.
Ahhhh I get it now... so your friends/relatives don't pop out of dimensions... their consciousness does, and they become a shill of a human?
This is where you should read up a little bit on the nature of consciousness... its a fascinating topic... but obviously misunderstood often.
By this theory, IF I die, and there is a magic man asking me WTF, I can understand why I was wrong, repent and be forgiven!
No need to undergo all the dogma and rhetoric!
Originally posted by Horus12
If christians were never taught christianity and left to there own device out in the wilderness, would they still arrive at the same conclusions with there beliefs on god? I personally doubt it.
So why the need to be taught it? and what does that tell you about the belief system?
If you were born in a muslim country you wouldnt be brought up in a christian way, do you think you'd still become a christian or is it just luck of the draw?