posted on Nov, 26 2008 @ 10:22 PM
I have seen many many religious and anti religious posts pop up around here lately... and I've always noticed that it degenerates down to "well you
can't prove me wrong" and "Prove your theory" statements...
It becomes blazingly apparent that the only way acceptable to a believer to refute their arguments, is to use the believers reference source: The
Therefore, I will be setting forth a proof that the christian god cannot exist in the sense spoken of in the bible...
first lets agree on some definitions...
Omnipotent: All Powerful
Omniscience: Universal or Complete knowledge.
I will be using the New International Version for my scripture quotes...
I also need to point out the fact that there are those who suggest the bible is to be taken literally... However, the new testament is written with
the premise that the old testament is to be taken literally... Think of it this way... if Genesis was symbolic and not to be taken literally, Then
Adam and Eve may be symbolic and original sin is out the window, meaning your entire religion is a sham... (Romans 5:19, "For just as through the
disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.")
Here are my scripture readings to validate the points I will be making in my proof:
You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.
(Might be worthy to note at this point, that I discovered a contradiction in the bible while researching... see the galations 5 text above, and
compare to Ephesians 1:11, "In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity
with the purpose of his will". Which appears to be stating we don't have free will, but are bound by the "grand scheme" that god has put
Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
For nothing is impossible with God.
He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite.
Taking these scriptures into account, consider the following statements:
1) If god is Omnipotent, can he make an object so heavy he cannot lift it himself?
2) Free will: If god is Omniscient, than he knows your future. If he knows your future, than it is already set in stone (if your future changed,
god would cease to be omniscient). Therefore Free will cannot exist... Which can't be true, since the bible is the infallible word of god, and says
we are created free.
3) If god is all knowing, and all powerful, and the creator of all... than he must know who is doomed to hell before they are born. Knowing who is
destined for hell, how can he offer a free pass to heaven by believing in Jesus? Surely he knew what you would decide before you were given the
option. Therefore, choosing to believe or not to believe is not your choice, but is predestined before you were born. Your ticket has already been
written, so don't sweat it... right?
4) If god knows who is doomed to hell before their are born and allows them to be created anyway, than he is sentencing people to eternal damnation
for sins never committed... If people are born without their futures etched in stone, than god cannot see the future.
5) If god is Omniscient, knowing what will happen in the future, than he can not use his omnipotence to change the outcome... As he is powerless to
change the outcome of future events, he is not Omnipotent.
The conclusion of comparing these scriptures, versus some objective thinking leads to a number of conclusions:
1) God, bound by his own omniscience is completely powerless to do anything but watch events unfold.
2) Since I've established taking parts of the bible figuratively unravles the entire religion itself, the bible is not the true word of god, as god
3) The Christian god can not exist the way he has been presented.
None of these conclusions look good for believers. It pretty much establishes that Christianity is wrong.
Don't feel left out quite yet mormons, jewish, muslim and hindus.... I hope to have enough time to take an objective look at your dogma and religious
texts as well!
[edit on 26-11-2008 by nj2day]