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America what happened?


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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 05:06 PM by cindymars


reply to post by centurion1211



So you don't like me.
Why? You need a sense of humor.

I really do not understand what you had a problem with in my reply.
Plus you never answered my question.
What would Thomas Jefferson think of America now?

Then instead of being rude you can tell me what I did to upset you.
Hunt down march music? That's funny.

[edit on 5-11-2009 by cindymars]



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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 05:40 PM by SLAYER69


Originally posted by ghaleon12
I think greed is what is destroying the country. We consume each other in efforts to bring "more" to ourselves


We even make movies where that is idolized.

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reply posted on 5-11-2009 @ 10:50 PM by jam321


Wonderful and excellent OP Slayer.

First, I want to say that I see this desire for America to fail as comparable to sports. Everybody is shooting for number 1 and cheering for their own team. They want to see what it is like to be so powerful and and in constant demand.They want to be the leader who the world first calls upon. They want to choose what the agenda and terms will be.

I can't blame them. If America was number two or below, I would be arguing against number one as well.

Second, I agree that one of the things that made us the best is the people. People who cared about each other and were less likely to be distracted by materialistic things. People who believed in doing right for the most part. People who took care of their family and wasn't as likely to be so quick to throw their grandparents or parents into some nursing home. People who were willing to work hard for a day's pay, even if that pay wasn't fair pay.

Now, it seems we are totally opposite of our ancestors. I realize times have changed and people have to adapt to changing times, but does that mean we had to leave our morals and values behind as well.

I don't have to say or spell out how Americans are today. You as well as others see it getting worse everyday. Yes, there are still some great caring Americans around, but the actions of the non-caring are overshadowing the good IMO.



Great thread Slayer even though DaddyBare says it's your fault.



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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 01:17 AM by SLAYER69


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It does serve to remind people.
We will see how the next decade runs it's course



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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 01:22 AM by In nothing we trust





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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 01:38 AM by eventHorizon


Powers beyond nationalism came to be.
Their agenda differs.
I doubt they care deeply what country or religion
you belong to as long as you comply to general
guidelines and understandings.
I think this is where globalism got itd unprecedented
support and foundation.
This happened and continues to happen - everywhere,
not just US.



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reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 02:22 AM by plumranch


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Now, it seems we are totally opposite of our ancestors. I realize times have changed and people have to adapt to changing times, but does that mean we had to leave our morals and values behind as well.



I am that first generation American you are talking about. You're right we were very patriotic and devoted to the American way.

We are a nation of immigrants today as we have always been. What makes you think the first generation son of a mother from Mexico (for example) is any less patriotic (on average) that of European mother, as was mine? Many Mexican American war heros come to mind.

There have been a lot of things that have changed but never dismiss American patriotism and devotion to the American way of life.

One of the strengths of America is its constant influx of immigrants who on average are very happy and thankful to be here!



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reply posted on 14-11-2009 @ 03:24 PM by Rockpuck


Sorry it took so long to respond...


Am I being overly patriotic?



YES. Patriotism was cool for 15 mins following 9/11... everyone put out their American flags, the before and after pictures of run down lower middle class homes from Virginia Main Streets were inspiring as they went from crap, to brightly colored red white and blue.

But what changed was not ... really.. our attitude, it was "those other peoples attitudes" .. What I refer to is the select group, very small, that get offended by EVERYTHING. To be patriotic is to be a bigot, an isolationist, a warmonger, a racist etc.. Then there are different terms of "what is patriotic" .. I would say Slayer, that the Patriotism you and I follow is frowned upon by the Liberal Left, and the Socialist Right.

Globalism

A World without Borders is the goal of the political and economic elite.. to break down borders opens trade, thus profit, not to mention a flood of dirt poor immigrants to do you bidding for 10 cents an hour. The corporations pushing globalism are the ones who own the politicians, the courts, the TV' stations, the music industry, Hollywood etc.. I believe Europe is a prime example of the destructive power of Globalism .. the European Union has successfully done what Rome failed to do, what Napoleon failed to do, what the Catholic Church failed to do, what the USSR failed to do, what Hitler failed to do.. destroy National identiy and formulate a massive super state. It's the same force that destroys the traditional American values, why "American First" is deemed ignorant.

One thing is for certain .. empires don't last forever, an America has lasted longer than anyone else in history as a World Superpower without competition .. so we will either give rise to a new more powerful superstate that will eventually destroy us, or else we will internally rot until we are reduced to a shell of what we once were, and then ultimately collapse.. probably not in my life time, but eventually.. time destroys everything.

But Slayer if you really want to know what America's problem is.. if you want to reduce it to a paragraph.. no .. a sentence.. hell, to one WORD ..then I believe we can summarize EVERYTHING since the 1880's -- APATHY

We are apathetic towards everything .. our leaders walk all over us, an extreme minority dictates our moral compass, politicians pimp us, pharmaceuticals poison us, banks robbed us, nations are buying us bit by bit, and above all, our Government betrayed us. But as long as it doesn't creep into our homes were we cower in fear hoping, that at the very least the Feds will just leave us alone in our own homes, then we simply don't give a damn.



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