Things may not be what they appear

This is indeed very good footage. It should be used as a good reference for "seeing isn't always believing", well, in cases such as these anyways.

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This one has a strobe light blinking at precisely once a second. So I highly doubt it's aliens. The Sanyo blimp maybe?
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This is why Lighted Flying Objects are not something you should get too excited about. Unless there's some amazing flight characteristics, or radar tapes, there really isn't much to go on. I just pass on most of those videos.

Bottom line: shaky, out of focus, highly enlarged (ie low number of pixels) night time pictures are totally unreliable. Even if they are backed up by eye witness testimony such footage should be binned.

Keeping hold of such footage only gives the skeptics ammunition.

what you have to look for is the blinking tail or wing lights
beyond the bright landing lights if you see this its one of "ours"
you dont see that, you might have something there

I'm sorry, but the only thing I see here is pixilation(sp) due to "digital" zoom.

Which is, obviously, what you were trying to show. It is, however, fortunate for me that my eyes do not have digital zoom.

As far as I am concerned, digital zoom has nothing to do with your standard zoom at all; which it doesn't. So I ask you then, what about those Canon Rebels with zoom lenses or the D20/D30's? Anyone willing to purchse a camera for 700+ USD (Rebel) or much more (D20/D30, etc) would have at a mimum a decent zoom lense..... or eye witness reports which colabborate with other eye witness individuals? Surely you're not calling them all liars, are you?
a bit of background on myself which will likely be inconsequential: I live on the flight path of the major airport in my city... I see everything from Boing 747's to C-130 Hurcules to the Galaxy C-5 and, on occasion, I get the luxuiry of seeing a few VTOL craft....

The above having nothing to do, nor resemble, my own sightings. Take it or leave it, my friend.

Nice video and good point.

I don't think it's going to change any hardcore UFO believers though. It may help those of us with a predominately rational brain to dismiss doubtful shapes in the sky but if you believe then you believe.

Don't mix rational mind with materialistic mind. You prefer not to belive in UFOs even when there are thousands of cases without explanation. I have never seen one UFO, i have never seen one DNA chain too. It does not mean that DNA is not real, the diference is that UFOs cannot be put in a controlled laboratory and DNA can be studied in a controlled laboratory but both are real i think. There are hundreds of thousands of witnesses every year and majority are pilots (professional rational realistic people), and majority of pilots never speak in fear of be ridiculized. There are THOUSANDS of fighter pilots that have seen a UFO, they know very well what is a helicopter, a plane, or what is something that is pointing you with a radar signal, but emits no light, no radar eco, no heat (while moving at mach speeds), or (if detected by radar) is moving at impossible speeds.

so to not belive in UFOs is not a rational act but a faith, as belive is a faith.
Please... don't mix rational with materialistic because the most irrational things are done by materialistic people.

And don't answer me speaking about stealth planes because stealth planes have no hypervelocity capacity, or NO eco radar, they have a minimal radar eco, they emit heat (specially moving at mach speeds and this is why majority of stealth planes use low velocity as a stealth behaviour) and actually, to make some maneuver at certain speeds is impossible, as sharp turns moving at 25000 km/h things that UFO in visual contacts or RADAR contacts(provided by machines) usually do.

So i respect if you dont want to belive, but i dont think that not to belive in UFOs is more rational than belive, maybe on the contrary i think it's certainly irrational.

brilliant - thats exactly what I saw the other day at work....where I work theres a flight path directly above me....I saw lights like that and it appeared stationary....waited a few mins and could see it moving and then the wings....I just smiled....

reply to post by REIKUKI

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Not saying I don't believe. Just saying that a very large number of videos concerning the subject are probably not credible. Calm down my friend, I am trying to be helpful.

[edit on 27-11-2008 by Raustin]

Aaarrrrgghhh! I’ve been dealing with this issue for about a week now. OP, you are so right on this. There have been sightings in Austin lately, very close to where I live and I thought, well, okay, I’ll get a camcorder and film them from a different location to corroborate their sightings. Ha, not hardly, the Sony I picked up which supposedly had it all was worthless for night shooting. Lowflying helicopters went all blurry and looked “otherworldly”, streetlights when zoomed in on became the “plasma” ships I have seen on youtube many times. If you moved the tripod at all it looked like a smooth high speed movement of the object. If you held it in your hand the object would dance all over. Also it could not even pick up high flying planes, nada.

I returned it yesterday and upgraded to what my pocket could afford which was a Canon HV20 3MP High Definition MiniDV Camcorder with 10x Optical Image Stabilized Zoom. Though not much better than the Sony it has a couple of features that should help, a stabilizer which will cut down on dancing objects and also the HD quality. The Canon rep at canon.com said that the HV20 had another extra that I don’t recall that put it ahead of the other small ones for night shooting Btw, this is a $900 dollar camera. If I went for it and bought the Canon that could really do the job it would cost $3000 not including extra lenses.

Here’s some sites that are helpful, and at Willoughbys, where I bought the Canon, (at a much lower price) they also suggested the big camcorders but due to cost they also fell back on the same Canon that canon.com had suggested. It’ll be delivered Monday. Btw, if you have any camera questions Willoughbys is excellent, they have been in business a long time and are very knowledgeable.

www.usa.canon.com...

www.willoughbys.com...

www.willoughbys.com...

I’ll keep at it as I have seen some unusual things in the sky lately, but to actually film them as I see them might just be impossible, at least until I have an extra $3000 to spend.

STM

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The clarity of an object is certainly up for some scrutiny
when we know nothing about the camera. That is for certain.
Whenever I view an online video I am usually skeptic at first.
I like to hear other peoples feedback to make sure I did not
have an oversight on something.

Problem is that when we see something blurred or pixelated due
to zooming in then we assume it is something explainable, like
a plane, chopper or a bird.

When we see something clear in the daytime, people say hoax.

At night, it's a bunch of lights and there is no reference points to
confirm it's height, size or location. It could be anything.

The most compelling evidence to me are the videos of extremely
fast objects or ones that show incredible maneuverability. While
they can be hoaxed on video, I think they deserve a good look
and study.

I personally saw something in Arizona about 10 years ago. My
timing was perfect. I was laying in the yard and in the matter
of 2 seconds, a blue streak came from my peripheral vision into
plain sight. Stopped for a second. It was a blue glowing object.
I could not make out a physical shape. As quick as it came it shot
in another direction. It happened so fast that I could see the V shape
of the light pattern as it simply vanished.

If I had a video of this I'm sure there would have been many nay
sayers or not enough info to go with.

However I know hat I saw. If people experience something. It's
important to write it down immediately and account for any info
and be as descriptive as possible.

Perhaps one day they will be able to down load our memories and see
through our eyes exactly what transpired.

reply to post by Raustin

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Very good point...I've seen this angle also but it was by an airport so of course, didn't think anything of it and that's with just eye balling it.
A cam can just make it worse ...shaky...out of focus....faulty camera and / or operator. Many variables to these videos.
You made a good point and video.......kudos.

The vids I like are the ones of these huge birds that are caught on cam, now that is strange.

good thread. it is important to question all the produced evidence on the issue.

personally I have a cousine who did in past produced the corp rings. and after few there came a tv and they made a big story of it. even today there are houndreds of people coming with hope to see the ufo stuff.

for some more scientific reasons I do not belive in Aliens travelling to see us unless they can travel at speed of light + or use the timemachines.

star and flag

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Just a my 2 cents, I thought this was a "real" ufo, shape changing. To me that's as realistic as this being a perception illusion! just a thought!

Which is why I'm not even going to attempt to film them, because the cost of good equipment is too much. I can tell by looking and observing when something is unusual. We have many small planes fly over our roof, some fairly low. They make noise and go fast. What we've observed are 2 types of crafts. One is covered in one big red light, completely to my eyes. My son has made out a disc shape and when visiting in the Okanagan, a diamond shaped craft, underneath. They are completely soundless and very slow flying comparatively speaking. We have even watched one being chased by a helicopter against the mountains to the northwest, and you could still hear the chopper. It was kind of a cat and mouse game, with the chopper gaining and the craft blinking ahead until it disappeared. The second shape was a dark/black triangle ufo, with three lights, one in each corner. It made a vibrational sound of sorts, and we ran outside when it flew over.

I think they would be able to morph as well as cover themselves with lights and clouds to fool people.

We're also "pinged???" before it happens, often. In other words, I or my son, feels the presence, and rush outside to see the craft soundlessly fly over our roof, not too high up. My son jumped out of his chair and said, "They're back!" and we rushed out to see them fly back over our house, and then he pointed to a tree out back and there was an orb. Usually I get "pinged" first before a sighting, and he's starting too as well. Also, since I've been trying to avoid seeing them, its often him calling me out now.